Gotenks' power

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Gotenks' power
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 15 2012, 06:56 PM (2,155 Views)
SSJ JJ	Jan 15 2012, 11:55 PM Post #16
Posts: 82 Group: Member Member #7,119 Joined: December 24, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z	I was more just saying Gotenks couldn't take a hit as good as the others.. And when Gotenks fought buu, it seemed like buu was messing with them, but Gohan demolished buu... That's y I don't think Gotenks was stronger than ss3 goku, or Gohan or Vegeta
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+ Pyrus	Jan 15 2012, 11:58 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	SSJ JJ Jan 15 2012, 11:55 PM I was more just saying Gotenks couldn't take a hit as good as the others.. And when Gotenks fought buu, it seemed like buu was messing with them, but Gohan demolished buu... That's y I don't think Gotenks was stronger than ss3 goku, or Gohan or Vegeta You'd have to make more of a case than that. Gotenks at least was able to fight Evil Boo. Goku wanted absolutely no part of him.
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Mysterious9001	Jan 16 2012, 12:09 AM Post #18
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	Super Buu never messed with Gotenks though and where's the evidence that Gotenks can't take a hit? Gotenks took Super Buu's hits better than Super Buu took Gotenks's hits. Edited by Mysterious9001, Jan 16 2012, 12:47 AM.



~~I have come to reclaim Rome!~~	Jan 16 2012, 12:39 AM Post #19
Posts: 59 Group: Suspended Member #7,185 Joined: January 10, 2012	The Goku>Gotenks argument fails on so many levels. You have to ignore so many statements and fights.



~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 16 2012, 03:36 AM Post #20
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Wait, what exactly are talking about now? Are talking about: 1.) Base Gotenks (Pre RoSaT) 2.) SSJ Gotenks (Pre RoSaT) 3.) Base Gotenks (Post Rosat) 4.) SSJ Gotenks (Post Rosat) 5.) SSJ3 Gotenks (Post Rosat) Just to get things straight, I'll try to include all of those. This is established, and arguing against it would be ridiculous: SSJ3 Gotenks (post)>SSJ Gotenks (post)>Base Gotenks (post)>SSJ Gotenks(pre)>Base Gotenks (pre). Now, to add in the Buus, and others. SSJ3 Gotenks (post)>/=Super Buu>SSJ Gotenks (post)>Base Gotenks (post)>SSJ Gotenks(pre)>SSJ3 Goku>/=Fat Majin Buu>Base Gotenks (pre) The Fat Majin Buu can be added in because Fat Buu obliterated Base Gotenks, and Super Buu can be added in because SSJ3 Gotenks fought an equal fight against Super Buu and possibly could have won if A.) The fusion dance's time was not limited or B.) Had Super Buu not absorbed him or anyone else. Goku fits in because he, as well, had a fair fight against Majin Buu, and very possibly could have won if he intended to.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 16 2012, 03:45 AM Post #21
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Kamikaze Pyro Jan 15 2012, 07:16 PM SSJ JJ Jan 15 2012, 07:06 PM I don't think Gotenks was really all that strong, and Gotenks really couldn't take too many hits.. I view goku, Vegeta, and Gohan to still be stronger.. And I'm referring to the Vegeta that fought super and kid buu You'd have to disprove Goku's claims of Gotenks being stronger (pre-RoSaT), and then Gotenks getting a buttload stronger through the RoSaT. Him not being able to take too many hits doesn't really hold any relevance, since it's not like Goku could have lasted even a second against Evil Boo. adding to this, (as ive just learned for sure myself) is that the power gotenks created for himself doesnt reflect on the kids seperately. So yeah, as a fusion character gotenks took on fat buu and didnt get very far. Goku did but only fully maxed and not really doing to much to buu but get him excited to fight. But once evil buu emerged and ate fat buu it was over with. In order to keep up with the fusion gotenks HAd to go to the rosat and get stronger, as Pure evil buu became super buu thru some strange conincidence. gotenks in base pre rosat IMO, only equaled just up to what good buus level is now. cause if he really had ssj3 gokus power in base? then Fat buu would have went down. He didnt. ssj gotenks prerosat was stronger for sure. After post? then his base was stronger.



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 16 2012, 05:45 AM Post #22
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ2, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ3, RST) Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) ↑ this is established... ↓ this is not established... Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, Initial) <<< Gotenks (RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ2, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ3, RST) Piccolo says that he thought Gotenks could do it, when it is obvious that he can't. Even if Gotenks was 20 times stronger, he still would not have been able to "do it." Only SSJ3 Gotenks was able to fight Buu. That or Buu was hella suppressed.



+ Pyrus	Jan 16 2012, 05:47 AM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	bizness86 Jan 16 2012, 05:45 AM Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ2, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ3, RST) Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) ↑ this is established... ↓ this is not established... Gotenks (Initial) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, Initial) <<< Gotenks (RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ2, RST) <<< Gotenks (SSJ3, RST) Piccolo says that he thought Gotenks could do it, when it is obvious that he can't. Even if Gotenks was 20 times stronger, he still would not have been able to "do it." Only SSJ3 Gotenks was able to fight Buu. That or Buu was hella suppressed. He clearly wasn't taking Gotenks seriously until the kid went SSjin 3, so there's that.
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Mysterious9001	Jan 16 2012, 05:49 AM Post #24
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	Super Buu was giving a fake Ki signal. Nothing more. It's not new at all. And yes, Base Gotenks (Post) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre) is established.



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 18 2012, 01:17 AM Post #25
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	No. Still doesn't change that fact that Gotenks could not beat him even as a SSJ. Even Piccolo knew that... Not established. The manga doesn't say anything about Buu's power going up. Nor does it say that Gotenks base is stronger than Gotenks SSJ. Gotenks got hella stronger. That's established. Take that established stuff somewhere else. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jan 18 2012, 01:17 AM.



~~Victorious~~	Jan 18 2012, 01:28 AM Post #26
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT >> SSJ3 Goku >> Fat Buu >>> Base Gotenks pre ROSAT >>> SSJ2 Majin Vegeta Base Gotenks post ROSAT >>> SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT Edited by Victorious, Jan 18 2012, 01:31 AM.
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Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 18 2012, 01:35 AM Post #27
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	My opinion, guys. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna get trolled/ bashed for not seeing what isn't directly stated in the manga; especially from a point that's moot for the most. I'm not saying that Post-Base can't be stronger than Pre-SSJ, but it isn't established. Deal.



~~Victorious~~	Jan 18 2012, 02:01 AM Post #28
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	bizness86 Jan 18 2012, 01:35 AM My opinion, guys. I'm sorry, but I'm not gonna get trolled/ bashed for not seeing what isn't directly stated in the manga; especially from a point that's moot for the most. I'm not saying that Post-Base can't be stronger than Pre-SSJ, but it isn't established. Deal. Well it's suggested. Piccolo thinks SSJ Gotenks pre ROSAT is gonna get destroyed by Super Buu...then he sees base Gotenks has powered up immensely in the ROSAT, and then thinks base Gotenks is stuck in base..and for a second thought base Gotenks post ROSAT might have a chance against Super Buu. After that Super Tanked base Gotenks and Piccolo knew it was hopeless, but there's definitely more to suggest base Gotenks post >>> SSJ Gotenks pre than SSJ Gotenks pre > base Gotenks post. What is there that suggests base Gotenks post is weaker than SSJ Gotenks pre? Nothing really.
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Mysterious9001	Jan 18 2012, 02:07 AM Post #29
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	Actually, Piccolo thinks an SSJ Gotenks who he assumes powered up a lot and still thinks he can't win, so that basically implies a huge gap. I actually have Base Gotenks (Post) 2x stronger than SSJ Gotenks (Expectations) who I have 2x stronger than SSJ Gotenks (Pre). It's kind of ridiculous to ignore Piccolo's statements. A suggestion I'd like to make is that you shouldn't use a 50x multiplier for fusions. The gaps will be bloated if you do. Edited by Mysterious9001, Jan 18 2012, 02:09 AM.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 18 2012, 02:08 AM Post #30
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	truth, but even for gotenks? its a HELL of a jump, like brolys form giving zenkai.



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