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Jesus vs Religon
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 13 2012, 01:55 PM (2,678 Views)
SirParagon	Jan 14 2012, 11:26 PM Post #31
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Isn't this like loving an engine, but despising the car? Then convincing yourself that the engine has a point without a vehicle? Of course that is assuming the car is actually a car and not a mound of compost. I enjoyed TJ's response (thanks for sharing Rouge), even though his points are obvious and basic, at least I can 100% agree... also he's pretty funny. Yet he really has to learn that arguing logic with the religious is utterly futile, even more-so with people who are religious without actually knowing what the hell they're talking about. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 14 2012, 11:32 PM.
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* Sousen Ichimonji	Jan 15 2012, 12:00 AM Post #32
You are calm and reposed, let your beauty unfold Posts: 4,176 Group: Retired Staff Member #3,986 Joined: February 15, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Avatar What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Ai Kora	SirParagon Jan 14 2012, 11:26 PM Yet he really has to learn that arguing logic with the religious is utterly futile, even more-so with people who are religious without actually knowing what the hell they're talking about. If atheism holds the vantage of logic then why do people need to devolve themselves to shouting and swearing at the theists who disagree with them? I'm going to be clear, concise and brief with my opinion of people like The Amazing Atheist: people who are very sure that they are right but can't simply believe that and not bash other peoples opinions are intolerant, rude scum. Fascists. And no, that's not just in direction to atheists. Of course there are theists that are the same. But that doesn't justify an equally abhorrant response.
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Meowth	Jan 15 2012, 12:07 AM Post #33
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	You are aware that he shouts and such more for entertainment value rather than to get his points across? I'm not sure his videos are aimed towards theists anyway.



Seruphim	Jan 15 2012, 12:11 AM Post #34
Cell's Angel Posts: 3,242 Group: Goddess Member #867 Joined: November 15, 2005 Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Chrome	Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:14 PM Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways. I agree, I edited my post before you replied and said (in certain manners). The thing is religious groups have an excuse (to call people out, not make them look stupid), doesn't make them right, but they have one. Atheists have an excuse to call out religious people as well. We've already agreed that both sides call each other out just to prove their superiority/make them look stupid, but that doesn't mean only religious people have a 'moral' excuse to call people out. Atheists call religious people out when there's a gross misrepresentation of facts. Just because you believe the Earth is 6000 years old doesn't mean it actually is. And religious morals are not all that good anyway. I'm speaking from a Christian standpoint because I don't know enough about the other religious to argue it well enough. And I also know that not every Christian reads the Bible thoroughly and knows that homosexuality is forbidden, God is a douche, slavery is promoted and that women should be quiet. Atheists also sometimes feel a need to call Christians out when they're touting their morals around like it's the end all to everything. And also when atheists are told that we don't have morals. Oh yes, because you can only get them from religion. So no, religious people are not the only ones with a valid excuse to call out others. I think this was already touched on a bit by Rogue but it just seems like you think only religious people have a valid excuse to call others out.



SirParagon	Jan 15 2012, 12:11 AM Post #35
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Indeed, TheAmazingAthiest is an entertainment channel, not one for serious philosophical discussion (although sometimes he gets Howard Bloom to talk for hours and he's pretty damn intelligent). Most of the time he just picks really easy and popular targets so that the atheists can point their fingers and laugh. Personally I can't say they are wrong for doing so, but it's definitely not the right way to go about a debate even if it is pointless. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 15 2012, 12:15 AM.
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Cal	Jan 15 2012, 12:20 AM Post #36
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Seruphim Jan 15 2012, 12:11 AM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:14 PM Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways. I agree, I edited my post before you replied and said (in certain manners). The thing is religious groups have an excuse (to call people out, not make them look stupid), doesn't make them right, but they have one. Atheists have an excuse to call out religious people as well. We've already agreed that both sides call each other out just to prove their superiority/make them look stupid, but that doesn't mean only religious people have a 'moral' excuse to call people out. Atheists call religious people out when there's a gross misrepresentation of facts. Just because you believe the Earth is 6000 years old doesn't mean it actually is. And religious morals are not all that good anyway. I'm speaking from a Christian standpoint because I don't know enough about the other religious to argue it well enough. And I also know that not every Christian reads the Bible thoroughly and knows that homosexuality is forbidden, God is a douche, slavery is promoted and that women should be quiet. Atheists also sometimes feel a need to call Christians out when they're touting their morals around like it's the end all to everything. And also when atheists are told that we don't have morals. Oh yes, because you can only get them from religion. So no, religious people are not the only ones with a valid excuse to call out others. I think this was already touched on a bit by Rogue but it just seems like you think only religious people have a valid excuse to call others out. As I said in the same post you quoted: Quote: but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. The only problem comes when you have to justify WHY you're doing what it is you're doing. What was the point of the original video? It was to spread a message whether right or not in a sound manner. What was the point of the video that follows? To BASH the original. I wont defend that, no matter how much you dress it up. I don't mean (even if I did) to make this video sound like the voice of every atheist, just using it as an example as it was posted. Edited by Cal, Jan 15 2012, 12:21 AM.



SirParagon	Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM Post #37
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM.
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Cal	Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM Post #38
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" with "you're stupid" than use that counter argument. Edited by Cal, Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM.



SirParagon	Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Post #39
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6, where is the equal counter argument? You don't seriously engage in a debate with someone who is a moron. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM.
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Cal	Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM Post #40
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6. Where is the equal counter argument? I would prove myself correct by using mathematical common sense, not yell and say, "It's ***ing 4, how the *** do you get 6? WTF are you trying to do?" It's not even about proving yourself right, is being able to justify your answer or reaction.



SirParagon	Jan 15 2012, 12:30 AM Post #41
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6. Where is the equal counter argument? I would prove myself correct by using mathematical common sense, not yell and say, "It's ***ing 4, how the *** do you get 6? WTF are you trying to do?" It's not even about proving yourself right, is being able to justify your answer or reaction. Who are you originally referring to? TJ? Granted he does get ridiculous at times, he rarely neglects to give his reason as to why.
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Cal	Jan 15 2012, 12:33 AM Post #42
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:30 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6. Where is the equal counter argument? I would prove myself correct by using mathematical common sense, not yell and say, "It's ***ing 4, how the * do you get 6? WTF are you trying to do?" It's not even about proving yourself right, is being able to justify your answer or reaction. Who are you originally referring to? TJ? Granted he does get ridiculous at times, he rarely neglects to give his reason as to why. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying this video is a joke because it's more about making fun of religious people than proving any kind of points. You're correct, for every 5 inside bashing jokes and 10 expletives you can see a point. Edited by Cal**, Jan 15 2012, 12:36 AM.



SirParagon	Jan 15 2012, 12:36 AM Post #43
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:33 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:30 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6. Where is the equal counter argument? I would prove myself correct by using mathematical common sense, not yell and say, "It's ***ing 4, how the *** do you get 6? WTF are you trying to do?" It's not even about proving yourself right, is being able to justify your answer or reaction. Who are you originally referring to? TJ? Granted he does get ridiculous at times, he rarely neglects to give his reason as to why. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying his channel is a joke because it's more about making fun of religious people than proving any kind of points. You're correct, for every 5 inside bashing jokes and 10 expletives you can see a point. ...but that's the whole point Of course it isn't a suitable counter-argument to lash out at idiot perspectives, but that doesn't mean TJ isn't openly appealing to what many atheists think anyway - which is part of the reason he is so popular.
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Cal	Jan 15 2012, 12:49 AM Post #44
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:36 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:33 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:30 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:29 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:27 AM Cal Jan 15 2012, 12:26 AM SirParagon Jan 15 2012, 12:23 AM If one side of the argument lacks a consistent logic and/or presents itself as ignorant then there isn't much you can do besides ignore them or bash the flaws hoping that they will shape up or shut up. So this is your justification? "Well i pretty much think because this guy wants to tell people how he feels he's an idiot, so I have the responsibility to bash him just because I don't buy it." For every argument that's not concrete there is an equal and counter-argument against it. Unfortunately people would rather "yell louder" than use that counter argument. How would you react if someone kept insisting that 2 + 2 = 6. Where is the equal counter argument? I would prove myself correct by using mathematical common sense, not yell and say, "It's ***ing 4, how the *** do you get 6? WTF are you trying to do?" It's not even about proving yourself right, is being able to justify your answer or reaction. Who are you originally referring to? TJ? Granted he does get ridiculous at times, he rarely neglects to give his reason as to why. I'm not saying he's wrong, I'm saying his channel is a joke because it's more about making fun of religious people than proving any kind of points. You're correct, for every 5 inside bashing jokes and 10 expletives you can see a point. ...but that's the whole point Of course it isn't a suitable counter-argument to lash out at idiot perspectives, but that doesn't mean TJ isn't openly appealing to what many atheists think anyway - which is part of the reason he is so popular. I'm not trying to take anything away from the entertainment value, just when you have people like The Sixth Doctor on page one who goes from I can believe in Mythology Gods to The Amazing Atheist is always right... Anyway I think we're arguing two different points lol.



Kruegs Outlandish	Jan 15 2012, 12:52 AM Post #45
Posts: 2,526 Group: Duplicate Member #6,436 Joined: July 1, 2011	TheAmazingAtheist isn't Atheist. SARCASM IS HIS GOD... and without it, he'd be forsook, I'm afraid... and he ignores the context completely. The "Jesus isn't Republican" line emphasizes that Jesus is often referred to by Republican candidates to get votes from Evangelicals... Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry, etc... But, in all honesty, he's a YouTube personality; in that respect, he is over-the-top as to get views, etc. Either that, or YouTube lets people trolol worldwide... but ranting about a popular video, for the most, puts me off. View-mongering and trolol, all the way around! Get that man a drink!



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