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Jesus vs Religon
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 13 2012, 01:55 PM (2,679 Views)
Meowth	Jan 14 2012, 02:02 PM Post #16
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Voltaire Jan 14 2012, 01:24 PM Cal Jan 13 2012, 06:08 PM I mean when did it become an atheist responsibility to call out religious believers? So much this. You know this argument can be flipped right? When did it become a religious believers responsibility to call out atheists?



* Bex	Jan 14 2012, 02:27 PM Post #17
★ Bextreme Dream ★ Posts: 9,435 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Gender Female Country United Kingdom What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Sorry, but I'm pretty sure there's actually a debate about whether Shakespeare wrote his plays or not lol so I'm inclined to think that whatever people claim Jesus to have said would be distorted over a few thousand years as well as by word of mouth. And I'm sorry, but this original video is just pointing out the obvious, at least to me, I've known that about religion for years. Though what I like is that he drives the point further than most people usually go to think. The video had cool music too. The second video just annoys me. Whoever that guy is, seems to think he knows everything and is taking everything the boy says out of context. He's just trying to pick on what others believe to make himself look good, and he also misses the entire point. The first guy obviously doesn't like how religion causes war and harsh rules upon people and how it turns people nasty and all that, but the athiest guy is just so much of an arrogant person he doesn't get it and is too busy swearing and acting like a tool. I mean, I'm no fan of the whole organised religion thing, but bloody hell, he says "Who cares If you help an old lady cross the road?", Im pretty sure the old lady does actually. That guy is exactly what is wrong with society these days, no sense of compassion, "Its all about me and how great I am" and he even goes so far as to say that he'd give Hitler mercy at the end of the day after letting him burn for a little bit. I'm pretty sure nobody would give Hitler any mercy for killing 6 million people of a certain religion, in a completely unreligious conflict. I don't know if I agree with the first guy but this athiest one is a really appauling representative for the athiest arguement. There are good points to athiest arguements but it doesn't matter because this guy just blusters solidly for 15 minutes like an angry old man in a way that makes him look stupid and whatever he does say its just muted by me thinking just how much of a horrible guy he is. I don't see why some athiests have to be that aggressive and champion that as a good way to argue, it's not, it just provokes people and causes fights, so how is that any different to what other religions do to each other? It's not at the end of the day, he is no better than all the worst religious people.
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Cal	Jan 14 2012, 02:54 PM Post #18
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Rogue Jan 14 2012, 02:02 PM Voltaire Jan 14 2012, 01:24 PM Cal Jan 13 2012, 06:08 PM I mean when did it become an atheist responsibility to call out religious believers? So much this. You know this argument can be flipped right? When did it become a religious believers responsibility to call out atheists? The thing is, they both have the right to do so, but when you hear Religious People (in general) calling out others they are calling people out because (whether they're right or wrong) they're worried about them and their lifestyle. They want them to save themselves, or this, this, or this.. No matter how stupid they may sound, they have a legit reason to do so. Atheists usually call out religious groups to simply make them look stupid. According to a lot of religious teachings, it's a religious groups spiritual responsibility or share their religion etc. Atheists usually do it to make others feel stupid (as this moronic video so vividly depicts). So no, that can't be "flipped". One side does it because they feel it as a responsibility, the other do it because they have the right to do so. No matter who is technically right responsibility = / = right. Edited by Cal, Jan 14 2012, 02:55 PM.



Meowth	Jan 14 2012, 03:04 PM Post #19
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Cal Jan 14 2012, 02:54 PM Atheists usually call out religious groups to simply make them look stupid. That's quite a generalisation, some athiests do so because they feel the teachings of religion are harmful and want to promote eqaulity, which religion doesn't promote. Engineer has never called out religious groups to make them look stupid, he has however pointed out things that can show them as harmful.



Cal	Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM Post #20
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:04 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 02:54 PM Atheists usually call out religious groups to simply make them look stupid. That's quite a generalisation, some athiests do so because they feel the teachings of religion are harmful and want to promote eqaulity, which religion doesn't promote. Engineer has never called out religious groups to make them look stupid, he has however pointed out things that can show them as harmful. That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic (in certain manners). That's why I said usually. Edited by Cal, Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM.



*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Post #21
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:04 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 02:54 PM Atheists usually call out religious groups to simply make them look stupid. That's quite a generalisation, some athiests do so because they feel the teachings of religion are harmful and want to promote eqaulity, which religion doesn't promote. Engineer has never called out religious groups to make them look stupid, he has however pointed out things that can show them as harmful. To be fair, some Atheists tend to do it just because they want to show how smart they are by pointing out faults in the Bible and mocking what people believe in. I honestly don't mind when religious people try to "re-convert" me to Christianity. Think of it this way. If I truly believed that people would be doomed to all eternity if they didn't believe in what I did, i'd have to b a pretty bad person not to at least try to convince them.
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Meowth	Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Post #22
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways.



Cal	Jan 14 2012, 03:14 PM Post #23
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways. I agree, I edited my post before you replied and said (in certain manners). The thing is religious groups have an excuse (to call people out, not make them look stupid), doesn't make them right, but they have one. Edited by Cal, Jan 14 2012, 03:17 PM.



Meowth	Jan 14 2012, 03:17 PM Post #24
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:14 PM Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways. I agree, I edited my post before you replied and said (in certain manners). The thing is religious groups have an excuse, doesn't make them right, but they have one. They have an excuse to mock athiests?



Cal	Jan 14 2012, 03:19 PM Post #25
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:17 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:14 PM Rogue Jan 14 2012, 03:11 PM Cal Jan 14 2012, 03:08 PM That's true, but there is nothing wrong with defending what you believe or debating a topic. That's why I said usually. Of course not but there are videos of religious commentators attacking Athiests to make them look stupid, it happens both ways. I agree, I edited my post before you replied and said (in certain manners). The thing is religious groups have an excuse, doesn't make them right, but they have one. They have an excuse to mock athiests? Just edited my post before you replied. I typed that wrong. My fault.



* Yu Narukami	Jan 14 2012, 03:37 PM Post #26
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Atheists call out Christians because of things like this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church Granted, they're not representative of the Christian population, but they're sure as hell not giving a good view of Religion in the eyes of every non-religious person. Some people in America are bullied because they're an atheist and live in a place where Religion is the norm. But anyway, on the topic, I disagree with the guy, but respect his opinion.



Optimus Banana	Jan 14 2012, 04:18 PM Post #27
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Viddy Veechi Jan 14 2012, 02:27 PM and how great I am" and he even goes so far as to say that he'd give Hitler mercy at the end of the day after letting him burn for a little bit. I'm pretty sure nobody would give Hitler any mercy for killing 6 million people of a certain religion, in a completely unreligious conflict. I dont believe in infinite punishment for finite crime, it's one reason why I disagree with God and I'm agnostic. You do understand that infinity is never ending right? I think that there should be a set punishment for each crime besides infinite. Like for killing or having someone killed would give you a minimum of 10 years of burning in Hell or maybe like how ever many years they had til they would've died from natural causes. So you kill a 5 year old who would live to 80 you burn 75 years, per person. But I don't think burning in Hell FOREVER would be right. Especially over things in the 10 commandments like not loving thy mother & thy father or never commit adultery. Maybe a year for something like this, but not infinity. Also I haven't really read the bible in awhile so some of what I said might be wrong in that last sentence. Edited by Optimus Banana, Jan 14 2012, 04:22 PM.
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Mihawk	Jan 14 2012, 05:46 PM Post #28
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Isn't spreading religion a christian responsibility? I think it works that way for the most part.



* Bex	Jan 14 2012, 08:01 PM Post #29
★ Bextreme Dream ★ Posts: 9,435 Group: Retired Staff Member #1,545 Joined: July 5, 2006 Gender Female Country United Kingdom What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	About 37 Llamas Jan 14 2012, 04:18 PM Viddy Veechi Jan 14 2012, 02:27 PM and how great I am" and he even goes so far as to say that he'd give Hitler mercy at the end of the day after letting him burn for a little bit. I'm pretty sure nobody would give Hitler any mercy for killing 6 million people of a certain religion, in a completely unreligious conflict. I dont believe in infinite punishment for finite crime, it's one reason why I disagree with God and I'm agnostic. You do understand that infinity is never ending right? I think that there should be a set punishment for each crime besides infinite. Like for killing or having someone killed would give you a minimum of 10 years of burning in Hell or maybe like how ever many years they had til they would've died from natural causes. So you kill a 5 year old who would live to 80 you burn 75 years, per person. But I don't think burning in Hell FOREVER would be right. Especially over things in the 10 commandments like not loving thy mother & thy father or never commit adultery. Maybe a year for something like this, but not infinity. Also I haven't really read the bible in awhile so some of what I said might be wrong in that last sentence. I wasn't aware that hell ran on a democratic/bureaucratic basis. Hell is a place that evil sinners go to be punished, that's why it is called hell. The word wouldn't exist if there wasn't the threat of eternal damnation. You also can never have one thing without the other, if you're already dead and went to hell, what happens when this so called 75 years is up? You don't just get to leave hell after a certain amount of time, and since when is there a concept of time in the afterlife? You can't die twice.
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Optimus Banana	Jan 14 2012, 10:03 PM Post #30
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Viddy Veechi Jan 14 2012, 08:01 PM About 37 Llamas Jan 14 2012, 04:18 PM Viddy Veechi Jan 14 2012, 02:27 PM and how great I am" and he even goes so far as to say that he'd give Hitler mercy at the end of the day after letting him burn for a little bit. I'm pretty sure nobody would give Hitler any mercy for killing 6 million people of a certain religion, in a completely unreligious conflict. I dont believe in infinite punishment for finite crime, it's one reason why I disagree with God and I'm agnostic. You do understand that infinity is never ending right? I think that there should be a set punishment for each crime besides infinite. Like for killing or having someone killed would give you a minimum of 10 years of burning in Hell or maybe like how ever many years they had til they would've died from natural causes. So you kill a 5 year old who would live to 80 you burn 75 years, per person. But I don't think burning in Hell FOREVER would be right. Especially over things in the 10 commandments like not loving thy mother & thy father or never commit adultery. Maybe a year for something like this, but not infinity. Also I haven't really read the bible in awhile so some of what I said might be wrong in that last sentence. I wasn't aware that hell ran on a democratic/bureaucratic basis. Hell is a place that evil sinners go to be punished, that's why it is called hell. The word wouldn't exist if there wasn't the threat of eternal damnation. You also can never have one thing without the other, if you're already dead and went to hell, what happens when this so called 75 years is up? You don't just get to leave hell after a certain amount of time, and since when is there a concept of time in the afterlife? You can't die twice. Yeah because a mere mortal committing a sin in their 60-70 year life deserves to burn for ever. It was a suggestion, and people like Hitler would burn for so long that it would feel like it was another eternity, serving as a punishment. And who says you can't leave Hell? And I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about dying twice. What does God accomplish by putting "sinners" in Hell infinitely? If humans can change in our short lives what's to say our enlightened spirits couldn't change after awhile? Edited by Optimus Banana, Jan 14 2012, 11:40 PM.
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