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| lunar2 | Jan 13 2012, 09:04 PM Post #16 |
 
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just a few things I'd like to respond to: 1. people who don't want to see naked fat people don't particularly want to see clothed fat people either, so body type shouldn't be an issue with this. 2. clothing is not natural. natural is the way nature does it. we are the only animals that wear clothes, and originally we only wore them so we could expand outside of our hot natural environment. saying clothing is natural is the exact same thing as saying a car is natural. it isn't and they aren't. they're a tool like anything else, to be used when appropriate, and not used when not needed. 3. saying that the culture isn't ready isn't a valid excuse to force clothing on those who do not wish to wear clothing. the culture wasn't ready for slavery to end, or for people of different skin colors to be treated equally, or for people of different genders to be treated equally. the culture won't be ready until it is forced to adapt by the situation already being present. 4. nudity will not cause an increase in rape, pedophilia or other sexually based crimes. those crimes are not based in sexual attraction, they are based in power. people rape because it makes them feel powerful, not because they see someone they are attracted to. that is why it is never the victim's fault, no matter what they wear or how they act. that's why a nun is just as likely to be raped as a stripper. 5. children will not be negatively affected by nudity. we're born without clothes or any idea of clothing/nudity. those ideas have to be instilled by cultural influences, they don't come about on their own. a child raised in a nudist community would be just as healthy as a child raised in a non nude community, and would likely be much healthier than a child raised in modern western society with its self contradictory treatment of sex. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 13 2012, 10:44 PM Post #17 |
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Point 2 is silly, it depends how literally you consider the term natural. Many animals utilize the resources in their environment, humanity is just a lot more creative. Also, point 4 seems a little closed-minded regarding such a subjective topic. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 13 2012, 11:28 PM.
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Jan 16 2012, 12:01 AM Post #18 |
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I don't mind if people want to be nudists, but I don't think that our entire society would ever succumb to it because in our day and age it isn't considered "normal" to be completely naked. Our mindsets have evolved. Adam and Eve were naked in the beginning - it was meant to be "natural" and normal to be naked - but then they became ashamed of their bodies after sin was introduced into the world and adopted clothing. Ever since then, it hasn't been considered normal to be naked, and our society has evolved to the point where we could never return to how it was in the beginning. If you believe in evolution to some extent, then you know that part of the evolution of a human was the use of clothing and loss of fur. As humans lost their fur, it became more essential to wear clothing, especially in cold environments. Or perhaps it was the other way around? Humans started wearing more clothing, so they lost more fur? Ehhh, I'm not exactly sure. I'm no expert on evolution. But essentially it's the same idea. Humans evolved to the point where clothing became a necessity. I feel that because of this evolution, we can never go back to the way we were in the beginning - completely naked. Our bodies are not accustomed to cold winter temperatures. Nudists have some good ideas, but they aren't very realistic, and that's just my input on the matter. 
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| Optimus Banana | Jan 16 2012, 12:10 AM Post #19 |
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I know one thing you could see a bank robber a mile away. 
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| + Pyrus | Jan 16 2012, 02:20 AM Post #20 |
 
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I think nudity is fine. Do what you gotta do. Just don't complain or be offended if I become aroused by seeing you; if it's natural for you to be naked, then it's just as natural for my body to react in turn.
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Jan 16 2012, 07:37 PM Post #21 |
 
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Adam and eve. We wear clothes to protect ourselves, what we look like isnt shmeful at all. Unless of course you yourself are ashamed of you. Then putting it on others to be "decent" makes you feel better, in control. Persecuting nudists is ridiculous. However, the rules still apply, we wear clothes to fight the elements rain or shine. Nudists CANT do everything naked. Its impossible and impractical in todays world. anyone whos serious and takes it too far is just looking for attention. Look at ME im naked. But dont pay attention because its not the point....yeah ok.  Children are children, if you want your kid to know anything you HAVE to start early, the brain is most receptable at an early age for learning, teaching our kids how to SURVIVE in this world is our job. The only one that matters really, what THAT means to any individual is up to them. Morals or not. In the end nudism in todays world isnt teaching anyone much but self esteem. Just mo. |
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| lunar2 | Jan 16 2012, 07:40 PM Post #22 |
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actually, no. it is a proven fact that rape is primarily about power, not sex. |
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Jan 16 2012, 07:48 PM Post #23 |
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its all good lunar, the psychology about people who commit such heinous crimes is lost on alot of people who try to draw a rigid line, Theres no such thing. People who do those things are control freaks and need to be in control. Going to such extreme situations like attacking random strangers. Although sex does play into alot of sex crimes? its mostly about conducting fantasies for the victimizer, not because they see someone naked. Most of the time whats left UP TO THE IMAGINATION can do more hurt than good. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 16 2012, 10:32 PM Post #24 |
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I never said power isn't a factor, it's just not the only factor like you seem to be suggesting. Proven fact? show me the statistics, explain the sample-space. I just have a hard time believing that an initial spark of (sometimes twisted) sexual attraction isn't required in most cases. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 16 2012, 10:41 PM.
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| + Steve | Jan 16 2012, 10:38 PM Post #25 |
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If humans were supposed to be naked nudist colonies would have evolved thick fur coats by now and then people would just be...I guess racist? Towards them...not sure if it would be racism but I think so if they'd evolved they're different. So yeah there's no real reason that we need to be naked, at all. Why should nudists get to wander about with signs saying people should be naked etc? It's their belief it shouldn't be forced on to anyone, if people want to be nudists they can be nobody should get told to do so. For the many people like me that don't buy in to Adam and Eve it's just unnatural. When/if I have kids I woudn't want them seeing some random old naked people wandering around at a young age simple little things like that are just plain disgusting to kids and can lead them to having nightmares and such. I wouldn't want my kids to think it's fine to run about naked, that's just disturbing imo. Can you imagine what people would think of you if your kids were naked all the time outside? In a non nudist community? It would look like you don't look after them or are some kind of paedophile. Closed communities would be the best answer if you want to be naked around people, go were other people are the same, consider other peoples feelings instead of being selfish and wanting to do whatever you want. |
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Jan 16 2012, 10:43 PM Post #26 |
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The only argument I really have for Steve's post is that if children were raised in an environment where everyone was naked, they would be used to it so it wouldn't bother them. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 16 2012, 10:50 PM Post #27 |
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You're not violating the NAP by being naked, other people just need to learn tolerance. Applying "instead of being selfish and wanting to do whatever you want" to a situation of theft or violence is fair enough though. |
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| + Steve | Jan 16 2012, 11:44 PM Post #28 |
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Yeah that makes sense I understand that but I was meaning in communities that aren't for lack of a better way to say it full of nudists. Imo it's still selfish to want people to adapt to your lifestyle if it's your lifestyle by choice. Fair enough if you're a paraplegic people have to adapt it's not an option, but with nudism the people don't wear clothes because they don't want to. So in my view it's selfish. It would be like if I decided one day that I want to bathe in something foul smelling liquid and expected everyone in the community to be fine with a horrible stench around, it's not a crime to smell people could do nothing about it. That's a...strange notion, to say the least but I hope the general point comes across. Nobody has to be naked. So deliberately being naked in a community full of people who are against it in public is being selfish I feel, it's unnecessary and not fair to expect people to just put up with something they don't approve of. |
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| lunar2 | Jan 17 2012, 10:29 PM Post #29 |
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the exact same could be said about interracial couples, homosexuality, or even something as mundane as having a pet or practicing a religion. it is no person's responsibility to live their life according to the standards of the community around them, as long as they cause no harm. |
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| J-Smack | Jan 19 2012, 07:41 PM Post #30 |
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I don't think nudity or clothing should be enforced. True, our society would have a hard time adjusting to nude people walking among the clothed, but I see no valid point in forcing people to keep their clothes on. Saying you don't want to see a naked fat person can be just about as offensive as saying you don't want to see a clothed burn-unit victim. Even if this might increase rape percentages, a female who chooses to walk around nude is the same as a female wearing seductive clothing; they have a choice (though I see it as more of a power thing myself.) I've always thought the nude human body was a fascinating thing. I don't see why it's become an obscenity now. |
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