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Top 5 Strongest Naruto Characters?
Topic Started: Jan 11 2012, 06:24 AM (22,991 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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illstand1
Jan 22 2012, 09:07 PM
Well no, it's not about abusing bloodline limit, moreso about the fact that it's not his strength that equates to Bijuu control. I mean how useful is that kekkei genki in battle? Kushina has kekkei genki that can hold down bijuu too.

I'd think it would be hella useful in battle.

ET Hashirama used his kekkei genki (Wood Jutsu) against Hiruzen...

Did Yamato not use it throughout the manga?

illstand1
Jan 22 2012, 09:07 PM
As for being a fan, not exactly, but seeing as to what happened here in DBZ with people ignoring canon statements of super buu > kid buu simply because he's cooler, I'm not exactly willing to throw canon statements out of Hiruzen being the strongest in his prime/strongest shinobi to date.

I'm guessing the lieks of Jaraiya, Orochimaru, etc. are super weak; these guys were candidates for Hokage. Then Hanzo probably sucks, and he was revered against them. Itachi would be well above Orochimaru, but still sucks. I'd doubt Itachi is as powerful as Madara, even before his death, so he'd suck, and Hashirama managed to take Madara down, so I'd say that there's a pretty large gap to fill, and I doubt Hiruzen, even at his age, would lose that much strength.

Naruto's battle scale is quite a bit difference from DBZ scales, IMO. Shark-guy beats up on Hachibi, but Gai pwns shark guy; and that's mainly from technique rather than pure power, even though, ironically, Gai beat Shark Guy from sheer strength.

Agent.G
Jan 22 2012, 09:14 PM
I really like the 3rd hokage but i have no clue of how he can be stronger than the 1st or Madara. In his old age he was supposedly the strongest in the village (and i think strongest kage alive) but i swear someone like part 1 kakashi could have put up a really good fight or even beat him.

^ this. But I think his prime would be kinda beastly... probably not Third Raikage beastly, but eh...

Maito Gai
Jan 22 2012, 09:19 PM
Well, the Sandaime was regarded as the ''God of Shinobi'', so that's gotta count for a lot. Plus he was ''The Professor'', knowing an uncountable amount of Jutsu. When he was old, he fought against Two ET Hokages and Orochimaru and held his ground. Think of him in his prime...

At God of Shinobi. People call me the Best There Is, Was, and Will Be; therefor, I'm the best there is, was, and will be :) .

imjusayin. But, he's pretty good.

At knowing lots of jutsu, I'd say Orochimaru/Kakashi would have matched him, or are, at least, rivals in that category.

At ET Hokages. He did okay...

His summon pulled a lot of weight in that battle, iirc. But he did well enough. He would have died quickly enough, I'm afraid; that's why the demon's seal was well-played. Unfortunately, he didn't stop Orochimaru
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I'm not talking about wood release I'm talking about his ability to tame bijuus. He doesn't tame them by wipping them with wood, he controls them with some weird ability of his kekkei genki. He doesn't beat them into submission or something like that. He has a senju equivalent of the sharingan that can control tailed beats like kushina has an uzukmai equivalent that can.

Kabuto said Hiruzen was the strongest kage of all time in his prime. That includes the 3rd raikage and the 4th hokage. The databooks also repeat quite a few times that Hiruzen surpassed the preceeding Hokage and in his prime was the strongest Hokage. I know in Naruto transitive logic doesn't work for the most part, but if explicitly states A > B there's no real way around that.

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^ in the respect of Hashirama taming Bijuu, is that not like Tobi stealing them from Jinchuriki? Heck, i didn't even do that. Pain did all of that.

Tobi's feats thus far seem to be trolol Team Kakashi, and beating Konan, who may have actually been able to beat him...? With Rinnegan, he has only seen to do what Pain had done, controlling several bodies; of which happen to be the deceased Jinchuriki.

As for Hiruzen, I honestly can't argue with any databooks or the like, but Third Raikage fought Hachibi straight up...

(unlike Shark Guy with hax sword)

While Hiruzen was all for having the village fight against Kyuubi, I don't see much in Minato's sacrifice if Hiruzen was that strong in prime; I feel as if the village would have been able to fend it off otherwise. But hey, maybe Hiruzen (prime) could've fought with Hachibi on par. illstand, are there any particular feats given to young Hiruzen that place him well into second, or third, most powerful ninja?
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I'm not sure what you mean about Hashirama, but he was able to subdue beasts similar to how the outer path controls them. But he doesn't use physical force on them.

Everything about hiruzen is statements. No real feats since he's irrelevant to the plot. Hiruzen was outside of his prime when they were fighting the kyuubi, and he was ready to fight it. He never really got to fight it though since he was trolled by a barrier once again.

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illstand1
Jan 22 2012, 11:26 PM
I'm not sure what you mean about Hashirama, but he was able to subdue beasts similar to how the outer path controls them.

Well, Hashirama doesn't forcibly subdue a beast, but neither did Tobi, in that respect. Pain was able to imprison them, but with a technique. Hidan killed them with a ritual. Tobi just capitalized...

Few people are actually shown or stated matching a Jibuu in sheer force; Third Raikage is confirmed to have fought Hachibi straight.

So saying that Tobi is strong for using others' powers, but saying that Hashirama isn't for using his own seems a bit dismissive. Could Hashirama not stop the Jinchuriki Six Paths from using Bijuu chakra?

@ people fighting Juubi in general...

Orochimaru fights suppress Kyuubi.

Kisame wields a sword that eats chakra against Killer B, that's probably the better attempt to fight a beast straight-up.

Third Raikage is probably the most legit in that aspect.
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Well no, Tobi is strong for completely different reasons. He can kill you with a touch and has 6 bijuu under his control. He's not strong because he can control them he's strong because they would help him win battles. No one that can control beats is strong because they can actually control them, it's their other techniques that make them strong. Hidan is strong because he can use his technique on other than just Bijuu. If whatever senju kekkei genki could be used to subdue humans that would be another story. If hashirama is fighting with no bijuu around his power to subdue them becomes a useless measure.

3rd Raikage is defintely the most legit in terms of fighting tailed beats. But hiruzen is states to be stronger than him...

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but even then, you'd say that his jutsu isn't particularly impressive?

He beat EMS Madara, and I'd guess he didn't need to calm Juubi to do that. So, he must be somewhat OP.
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I'd say it's not really possible to pass judgements on him since we haven't seen too much of him and the only thing we know is that be beat Madara. He's defintely strong in that sense since Madara is like an Itachi with infite stamina. Not enough to warrant overriding the statements that say Hiruzen was stronger in his prime imo.

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I can't fight the Hiruzen statement.

Do you think the present Tobi could beat the Madara that Hashirama beat?

Tobi vs ...
  • Pain (At Konoha)

  • Madara (At Hashirama)

  • Hashirama (At Madara)

  • Hiruzen (Prime)

  • Hashirama (Edo Tensei)

  • Madara (Edo Tensei)
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With 6 paths and the Rinnengan? Probably all of them although I think vs edo Madara is arguable. I think Tobi might have the edge in controlling the beats because of the stakes.

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Novacane for the pain

So, I think we have a new No 1 guys....
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^ this

Killer Bee is awesome!
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The Legendary Nightmare

This should be very easy guys.

1)9-tailed kyuubi naruto
2) rock lee(8th gate)
3)8-tailed kyuubi naruto
4)7-tailed kyuubi naruto
5)6-tailed kyuubi naruto

4-tailed kyuubi naruto stomps the sage of 6 paths easily
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Bijuu Mode Naruto
Rinnegan Madara
Tobi
Kabuto (with allof his Edo Tenseis available)
Prime Nagato

Not counting Rikudo sennin or Juubi without them actually appearing.
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I miss this topic. A lot of discussion put in it. That is all. I'm guessing Naruto and Sasuke are moving up rank... :'(
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