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Destructo Disk
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 10 2012, 02:41 PM (2,858 Views)
ziro	Jan 23 2012, 10:16 PM Post #16
Posts: 45 Group: Member Member #4,504 Joined: October 5, 2009	Victorious Jan 23 2012, 09:34 PM ziro Jan 23 2012, 09:33 PM Victorious Jan 23 2012, 09:27 PM Yajirobe is weaker than a Saibaman and his Sword can cut through Oozaru Vegeta..that's a bigger feat than anything Kienzan ever did. So Yaji's Sword can cut Super Vegetto you think? It has no limits? Mehh Cutting frieza's tail >> Cutting Oozaru tail No way dude, Yaji is like 1/100th or less than Vegeta there. Krillin should be at minimum like 1/25th 2nd form Freeza. Anyway, both were kinda by surprise which Is why I see either of them even cutting their opponents. It wasn't yaji; it was the sword. Also if the Destructo Disk hasn't been proven stoppable, then we assume it can't be stopped.
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+ Pyrus	Jan 23 2012, 10:31 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Victorious Jan 23 2012, 08:51 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jan 23 2012, 08:46 PM Victorious Jan 23 2012, 08:37 PM manga wise it cut through Freeza but it should have a limit...people saying it does not have limit is pretty stupid. That's like saying Final Flash has no limit since the only time it was fired Final Flash ripped through it's opponent..and the gap between Vegeta and Cell there was huge. That's a little different. The Kienzan is stated to cut through anything (maybe not in the manga itself, but in guidebooks), while the Final Flash was never touted to do be able to do so. Well Guidebooks aren't canon. Anime filler should be taken as equal authority to them IMO. Have guidebooks caused insurmountable plotholes? I don't think they're as bad as the anime IMO, so we're going to get nowhere.
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POOHEAD189	Jan 23 2012, 10:41 PM Post #18
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think only Krillin can do a true destructo disk. And the Guidebooks are more reliable than the anime, though they aren't completely reliable themselves.
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+ Clearin	Jan 23 2012, 10:43 PM Post #19
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	lunar2 Jan 23 2012, 08:11 PM actually, the last time it was used in the manga was against buutenks by goku. the kienzan was a generic attack that at least 5 people knew how to do. krillin, vegeta, frieza, cell, and goku. Don't forget Android 18.



~~Victorious~~	Jan 24 2012, 01:04 AM Post #20
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	POOHEAD189 Jan 23 2012, 10:41 PM I think only Krillin can do a true destructo disk. And the Guidebooks are more reliable than the anime, though they aren't completely reliable themselves. The anime doesn't have Nappa at 4,000 against Goku, lol Quote: It wasn't yaji; it was the sword. Also if the Destructo Disk hasn't been proven stoppable, then we assume it can't be stopped. So if Yajir's sword hasnt been proven stoppable, or Final Flash...we assume they can't be stopped? Hell in the manga Piccolo's Makankosappo was never stopped either. So that's 3 other things that wwere never proven stoppable in the manga. ..not just Kienzan. Edited by Victorious, Jan 24 2012, 01:07 AM.
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ziro	Jan 24 2012, 02:48 AM Post #21
Posts: 45 Group: Member Member #4,504 Joined: October 5, 2009	Victorious Jan 24 2012, 01:04 AM POOHEAD189 Jan 23 2012, 10:41 PM I think only Krillin can do a true destructo disk. And the Guidebooks are more reliable than the anime, though they aren't completely reliable themselves. The anime doesn't have Nappa at 4,000 against Goku, lol Quote: It wasn't yaji; it was the sword. Also if the Destructo Disk hasn't been proven stoppable, then we assume it can't be stopped. So if Yajir's sword hasnt been proven stoppable, or Final Flash...we assume they can't be stopped? Hell in the manga Piccolo's Makankosappo was never stopped either. So that's 3 other things that wwere never proven stoppable in the manga. ..not just Kienzan. If we use logic we can conclude that Final Flash is a beam thus, beams have been proven to be stopped. Death ray is a similar technique to Makankosappo and it was stopped........Trunk's sword was stopped by Goku.......Destructo Disk is it's own category of attack and, has never been proven to be stopped.
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~~Victorious~~	Jan 24 2012, 04:26 AM Post #22
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	ziro Jan 24 2012, 02:48 AM Victorious Jan 24 2012, 01:04 AM POOHEAD189 Jan 23 2012, 10:41 PM I think only Krillin can do a true destructo disk. And the Guidebooks are more reliable than the anime, though they aren't completely reliable themselves. The anime doesn't have Nappa at 4,000 against Goku, lol Quote: It wasn't yaji; it was the sword. Also if the Destructo Disk hasn't been proven stoppable, then we assume it can't be stopped. So if Yajir's sword hasnt been proven stoppable, or Final Flash...we assume they can't be stopped? Hell in the manga Piccolo's Makankosappo was never stopped either. So that's 3 other things that wwere never proven stoppable in the manga. ..not just Kienzan. If we use logic we can conclude that Final Flash is a beam thus, beams have been proven to be stopped. Death ray is a similar technique to Makankosappo and it was stopped........Trunk's sword was stopped by Goku.......Destructo Disk is it's own category of attack and, has never been proven to be stopped. Trunks sword is not Yaji's sword so it's not the same..and neither is the Zeta Sword. Plus there is no way Trunks is hundreds of times stronger than King Cold. Yaji's Sword has been shown to cut through characters hundreds of times stronger..so it's the attack with the greatest feats in the entire series. And Makankosappo is a ki attack that's unlike any other that pierces. I don't even know what Death Ray is..Death Beam you mean? That's not the same as the Makankosappo. So really manga wise there's nothing that suggests Kienzan, Final Flash, Makankosappo, or Yajirobe's sword can be stopped. Edited by Victorious, Jan 24 2012, 04:26 AM.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 24 2012, 04:33 AM Post #23
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	lunar2 Jan 23 2012, 08:11 PM actually, the last time it was used in the manga was against buutenks by goku. the kienzan was a generic attack that at least 5 people knew how to do. krillin, vegeta, frieza, cell, and goku. Krillins was different as he tended to make oversized ones, ones that seemed to indicate he needed to add that much power, every one else's kienzan are small and fast, but krillins (when mad) were gigantic and slow. wadup wit that?!!



Mysterious9001	Jan 24 2012, 04:40 AM Post #24
Posts: 602 Group: Member Member #7,200 Joined: January 15, 2012	lunar2 Jan 23 2012, 09:16 PM no. anime is nowhere near as reliable as guidebooks. you are right, guidebooks aren't canon, but kienzan has also never failed to cut in canon. the gap between vegeta and cell was much smaller than the gap between krillin and frieza, btw. krillin was, at best, maybe 1/3 of frieza's power, while vegeta was over 1/2 of cell's power. still, krillin's kienzan cut nappa, who was ~4x stronger than krillin. it cut frieza, who was ~3x stronger than krillin. ssj3 goku's kienzan cut buutenks, who was ~40x stronger than goku. there may be a limit to the attack, but that limit never came up in the series. Um no. Cell is multi-folds above SSJG2 Vegeta if he thought he could take on a highly amplified blast. He also took a kick to the neck and barely budged. SSJG2 Vegeta is definitely not over 1/2 of Perfect Cell. And, I don't think the Kienzan is unstoppable. It just seems a bit ridiculous for something to not have a limit. Z Sword was considered something unstoppable yet was able to get cracked. Maybe this can be the same thing.



~~brolyeuphyfusion~~	Jan 24 2012, 04:46 AM Post #25
The Legendary Nightmare Posts: 1,001 Group: Suspended Member #6,990 Joined: November 17, 2011	Destructo Disk being unstoppable is complete rubbish. There is NO WAY that Krillin can kill something like LSSJ4 Broly.
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~~Victorious~~	Jan 24 2012, 04:51 AM Post #26
Posts: 582 Group: Suspended Member #6,936 Joined: November 1, 2011	brolyeuphyfusion Jan 24 2012, 04:46 AM Destructo Disk being unstoppable is complete rubbish. There is NO WAY that Krillin can kill something like LSSJ4 Broly. The filler with Cell tanking Krillin's was fine with me. After all we know Krillin went crazy when he knew 18 was gone so manga wise if he thought Kienzan could kill Cell i see no reason why he would not throw it. Why not throw it against SPC in the beam struggle with Gohan as well? Heck even the filler showing SSJ2 Gohan catching full power Cell's Kienzans I can accept since he never caught it physically..he stopped it with his ki and canceled them out.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 24 2012, 05:41 AM Post #27
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	brolyeuphyfusion Jan 24 2012, 04:46 AM . There is NO WAY that Krillin can kill something like LSSJ4 Broly. LSSJ4 Broly.???? LOL



SirParagon	Jan 24 2012, 07:26 AM Post #28
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Ninjajp247 Jan 24 2012, 05:41 AM brolyeuphyfusion Jan 24 2012, 04:46 AM . There is NO WAY that Krillin can kill something like LSSJ4 Broly. LSSJ4 Broly.???? LOL Sure he could, but it would be like an infant slowly inching toward a body-builder with a circular saw. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 24 2012, 10:37 PM.
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~~brolyeuphyfusion~~	Jan 24 2012, 09:18 AM Post #29
The Legendary Nightmare Posts: 1,001 Group: Suspended Member #6,990 Joined: November 17, 2011	Are you saying that Krillin could have killed Broly!? Why didn't he fight in Movie 8 then?
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* Yu Narukami	Jan 24 2012, 11:51 AM Post #30
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	Because he was scared. That and Krillin couldn't kill a major villain, he never has and never will. The Kienzan could've killed LSSJ Broly just like it could kill LSSJ4 Broly. In canon, it hasn't been stopped. Dodged, yes. Stopped? No. So we can assume that it's unstoppable. It isn't just ki. It's a thin disk of ki that slices through things. Broly would try to tank it just like Nappa and nobody would stop him.



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