Who's to blame: the parent or the child?

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Who's to blame: the parent or the child?
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 7 2012, 04:57 PM (2,621 Views)
SirParagon	Jan 10 2012, 04:12 PM Post #31
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	The only people who deserve such a heavy burden of responsibility are those involved in the institutions that initiated the problems. Just like how a parent is more responsible for how a child turns out than the child is, although the child is still responsible for their own actions. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 10 2012, 04:13 PM.
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Mihawk	Jan 10 2012, 06:29 PM Post #32
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	There's still tons of people here that can't live with your ideology. And like I said, there's no amount of conditioning that can't be reconditioned. When you grow older, you go farther from your parents. My point is that ubringing can never be completely a parents fault. More like 33% genetics, 33% parents, and 33% society.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 12:26 AM Post #33
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	It's the parents responsibility to ensure their child leads a safe, smart and healthy lifestyle. Society holds no such responsibility. It is irrelevant whether people would feel comfortable actually doing their job as a parent. Having a child then failing to put in the effort is like taking a university course and not studying for exams or completing a single assignment. You cannot fairly justify this ex post facto. In other words, why would you have a child in the first place? Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 12:30 AM.
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~~I have come to reclaim Rome!~~	Jan 11 2012, 12:47 AM Post #34
Posts: 59 Group: Suspended Member #7,185 Joined: January 10, 2012	Obviously both are responsible. The child should have enough common sense to know that what the parents(other authority figures etc) say is normally in their best interest ('drugs are bad mkay') while the parents should be telling them what is right and what is wrong and setting boundaries.



Mihawk	Jan 11 2012, 12:51 AM Post #35
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Of course it's the parent's responsibility to condition their kid and no one else's, but doing a lane blame game at only one factor of the final result ain't pretty. Edited by Mihawk, Jan 11 2012, 12:57 AM.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 01:18 AM Post #36
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	"I have come to reclaim Rome!" Obviously both are responsible. The child should have enough common sense to know that what the parents(other authority figures etc) say is normally in their best interest ('drugs are bad mkay') while the parents should be telling them what is right and what is wrong and setting boundaries. Society is not responsible for the consequences of the parents decision to have a child just as it is not up to your teacher to complete an assignment. Also remember that telling a child that something is 'bad' is nowhere near adequate. Like adults, children require proper explanations concerning why if they are to rationalize behavior. E.g. "Do not touch the stove" isn't nearly as effective as "Do not touch the stove because you will get hurt then it will be difficult to use your hand for play-time". A child cannot be assumed to possess 'common sense' because they don't. "illstand1" Of course it's the parent's responsibility to condition their kid and no one else's, but doing a lane blame game at only one factor of the final result ain't pretty. Which factor might that be? Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 01:23 AM.
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Mihawk	Jan 11 2012, 01:26 AM Post #37
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	You're blaming only the parents for the final result. There are many other factors that are accountable for the final result, such as society, the but the only ones that can be held morally accountable are parents. So yes from a moral aspect parents are to blame, and in in modern household when something goes wrong a person will say "what's wrong with their parents", but from a psychological standpoint parents can't be held completely accountable for their children's actions because of the many factors that come into play for their characteristic other than parental conditioning. There's two different view points to see this from, modern morality and psychology, and as humans get more intellegint we realize that it's important to understand it from the viewpoint of the person rather than our passed down moral standing. Edited by Mihawk, Jan 11 2012, 01:35 AM.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 01:44 AM Post #38
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	Either way the parents are fully accountable. If society starts to push a child in the wrong direction it is due to parental neglect, unfortunately this seems like a forced scenario most of the time, but there are always ways a parent can proactively guide their children. It can only work if the child views their parents very favorably, if they don't then something already went wrong. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 01:45 AM.
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Mihawk	Jan 11 2012, 01:50 AM Post #39
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	They're morally accountable, but psychology says it's a decent combo of more than just parents. Like I said over and over and over conditioning that parents do that can't be undone when they leave their home. Parents can't follow them forever. Not to mention that parents being able to outweigh their peers is an ideal situation regardless.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 02:06 AM Post #40
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	The psychological development of a child should not be determined by the roulette wheel of society and it does not have to be. A successful parent should not need to follow a child forever, the point is to turn the child into an equally responsible adult capable of effectively raising their own children in the same way. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 02:22 AM.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 11 2012, 02:08 AM Post #41
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	I'm going to have to agree with illstand1 on this one. Parents cannnot be 100% responsible for every bad thing about their children, because that would mean they'd have to control every single external force affecting their child, which is impossible.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 02:16 AM Post #42
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	TeenGohan Jan 11 2012, 02:08 AM I'm going to have to agree with illstand1 on this one. Parents cannnot be 100% responsible for every bad thing about their children, because that would mean they'd have to control every single external force affecting their child, which is impossible. A parent cannot control the external forces of society and it isn't necessary. A parent is responsible for teaching a child how to react well before certain events occur. Nonetheless, a young child should always be in direct contact with at least one parent - if something bad happens out of the parents immediate control they're still responsible through neglect. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 02:21 AM.
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~~Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs~~	Jan 11 2012, 02:21 AM Post #43
Posts: 2,687 Group: GTFO Member #6,954 Joined: November 6, 2011	Yes, but you're forgetting that a parent cannnot imagine every single possible thing that could happen and what to teach their children what to do if it happens. Some things just happen that are unexpected, and out of the parent's control, put I partially agree, if a child is raised right, he will know what to do in a bad situation, however, there can be exceptions to this.



Mihawk	Jan 11 2012, 02:23 AM Post #44
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	SirParagon Jan 11 2012, 02:06 AM The psychological development of a child should not be determined by the roulette wheel of society and it does not have to be. A successful parent should not need to follow a child forever, the point is to turn the child into an equally responsible adult also capable of effectively raising their own children in the same way. And I agree, it even that partial percentage shouldn't be determined by society. Hell it shouldn't be determined by genetics. It should be determined by parents. Unfortunately, that is not the case.



SirParagon	Jan 11 2012, 02:24 AM Post #45
Sparking! Posts: 808 Group: Duplicate Member #6,577 Joined: August 7, 2011 Favourite Anime Baccano, Mushi-shi, Excel Saga, NHK What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	TeenGohan Jan 11 2012, 02:21 AM Yes, but you're forgetting that a parent cannnot imagine every single possible thing that could happen and what to teach their children what to do if it happens. Some things just happen that are unexpected, and out of the parent's control, put I partially agree, if a child is raised right, he will know what to do in a bad situation, however, there can be exceptions to this. Then propose a scenario and outline possible exceptions that an ideal parent would always miss. Iffy exceptions cannot be used to back an argument - why? because these exceptions always have a counter-instance which cancels them out. Is it possible for someone to develop bad habits? Yes, but can that be used as an argument explaining why people will inevitably develop bad habits? Edited by SirParagon, Jan 11 2012, 02:29 AM.
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