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| Mihawk | Jan 7 2012, 11:56 PM Post #16 |
 
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Obviously, but a parent can condition them to do one thing, while in another environment that conditioning is undone. Conditioning by your peers > conditioning by adults. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 7 2012, 11:59 PM Post #17 |
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It depends how strong the bond of trust and respect is between the child and parents. Most kids don't view their parents as highly as their peers because their parents do a cruddy job raising them.
Edited by SirParagon, Jan 8 2012, 12:00 AM.
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| Mihawk | Jan 8 2012, 12:03 AM Post #18 |
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Well that's your own opinion, the way I see it no matter how great the trust factor is your peers will always have a bigger impact on your life than your parents. If you see your top 10 friends, you'll find character will most likely be a boiling pot of all of them. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 8 2012, 12:10 AM Post #19 |
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If a child spends a lot of (enjoyable) time with their parent they will inevitably start considering them something on par with best friends. My own little brother considers me his best friend because he recognizes that his peers are a bunch of morons and spends a lot more time talking/laughing with me, although it's a bit disappointing that I have to be his guidance figure and not my actual parents.
Edited by SirParagon, Jan 8 2012, 12:12 AM.
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| Mihawk | Jan 8 2012, 12:18 AM Post #20 |
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Well not to be offensive, but that only happens when people spend more time with their family than with their friends. But I can agree with that, in situations where family is able to spend more enjoyable time with than peers then the child's conditioning is dependent on their parent (genetics aside). I haven't come across too many places where a situation like that is viable though these days. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 8 2012, 12:24 AM Post #21 |
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That's largely due to parental neglect, if a child is living together was a group of people common sense states that the child will have a stronger bond with the family than their peers, if not then something went wrong. Unfortunately 'something going wrong' is a common theme in how society currently treats the notion of family.
Edited by SirParagon, Jan 8 2012, 12:25 AM.
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| Mihawk | Jan 8 2012, 12:31 AM Post #22 |
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Not exactly. Like you said stronger bonds depend on the amount of enjoyable time is spent together. People work 2-3 jobs these days, kids have school, overtime school, sports, etc 90% of which can be considered enjoyable Then parents come home, are tired, list goes on. It's not really possible for parents to outweigh the amount of time enjoyable time spent with peers. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 8 2012, 12:44 AM Post #23 |
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That's what I mean, parents should be prepared to make big sacrifices when raising a child, even quit their job for a couple years. If a suitable lifestyle cannot be sustained with a diminished income people probably shouldn't be having children.
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| Mihawk | Jan 8 2012, 01:00 AM Post #24 |
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If you stop drinking water because you're allergic to it doesn't mean you've solved the problem (basically what you're saying is unsustainable). |
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| SirParagon | Jan 8 2012, 06:02 AM Post #25 |
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That analogy doesn't really make sense in this context. All I propose is that parents should be prepared to make sacrifices and be willing to spend a lot of time with their children rather than just dumping them in a daycare facility for the majority of their developing years then wonder why they turn out to be a bitter and resentful teen/adult.
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| Mihawk | Jan 8 2012, 02:23 PM Post #26 |
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It does make sense. You proposed that parents stay away from their job to stay longer with their kids. Now they'll starve and die. Not sure how starving will solve their problems. |
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Jan 9 2012, 01:25 AM Post #27 |
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I don't exactly think he means that parents should just not get a job at all. He's trying to say that you shouldn't get a full-time job that will take all day, takes up most of the week, and leaves your child with just the company of some day-care, babysitter, or even worse, just a TV. Of course, this can be hard to do if you actually need that full-time job to support your child, but if you actually need it that bad, you shouldn't be having a child anyway. |
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| Mihawk | Jan 9 2012, 02:46 AM Post #28 |
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^well that sucks since when you move to places like 3rd world countries it's either you work full time, 24/7, or you die. Are you suggesting they let their race die out so you can express your view on parenting? +there are many studies I remember that say that conditioning from your peers will always have a bigger affect than parents not only because of enjoyable factors, but age etc. And no amount of conditioning cannot be undone through reconditioning. So when you grow up and slowly move away from your parents in new enviornments people are bound to be reconditioned. It won't happen for sure, but the possibility remains even if they know how to react in situations from preventing it from happening. I mean that is the whole point of enviornmental reconditioning. |
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| SirParagon | Jan 10 2012, 03:38 PM Post #29 |
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We shouldn't lower our standards to those of 3rd world nations, that's just a bit ludicrous. Sure their situation is a travesty, but we shouldn't all have to pay for the injustices committed by a select few power-mongering sociopaths throughout history. We should fix ourselves up before wholeheartedly extending our hand in support. Also, dispositions towards family and friends does not change regardless of age, people are influenced more/less by particular parties depending on the level of shared experience/trust between them - whether it is parents or peers make no difference. Edited by SirParagon, Jan 10 2012, 03:43 PM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Jan 10 2012, 04:02 PM Post #30 |
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Even if those power-mongering sociopaths were supported at the time by the majority of the public of their country at the time? It's not fair to say "we'll ***** you over for centuries and now that we feel like it we'll leave you alone". You wanna get involved for your own gain, be prepared to help get them out of the situation afterwards. |
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