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Kids stabs bully 12 times, gets away with murder charge
Tweet Topic Started: Jan 7 2012, 03:54 AM (1,558 Views)
ryanson209	Jan 7 2012, 03:54 AM Post #1
MAGICAL GIRLS REPRESENT Posts: 2,336 Group: Member Member #4,331 Joined: July 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica	Link Now I want to discuss this, I really want to discuss this. Or, more, I want you guys to discuss this intelligently. Maybe you guys' reactions will be more along mine and I won't feel needlessly infuriated.
	*Life is a performance, and the world is full of critics. Give it your all like it's your last show.*


*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 7 2012, 04:01 AM Post #2
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Frankly, that is absolutely ridiculous. Even if he was bullied, you can't use that to justify stabbing someone 12 times imo. I want to ask about this law for clarification. Is this a completely subjective thing? Over here, to prove self defence you have to believe your life is in danger (subjective part) and there has to be reasonable grounds for those beliefs (objective), finally you can't use force that is inconsistent with force against you (no way you could get away with using a knife in a fist fight unless you were severely outmatched and probably on the verge of being killed. Te fact that it was 12 times makes it worse. This isn't just a slash to escape, this was going for the kill. I'm really annoyed about this now actually.
	We'll never be those kids again


+ Pelador	Jan 7 2012, 04:05 AM Post #3
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	This sounds like the actual story has been misconstrued because it's so unlikely that anyone would get away with this. The above post is correct. Unless the person was pointing a gun at him or about to snap his neck, it's not justified. Especially 12 times. The bully's family have every right to take this to a higher court. If what we're hearing is to be believed of course.
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Optimus Banana	Jan 7 2012, 04:07 AM Post #4
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Luke_93 Jan 7 2012, 04:01 AM Frankly, that is absolutely ridiculous. Even if he was bullied, you can't use that to justify stabbing someone 12 times imo. I want to ask about this law for clarification. Is this a completely subjective thing? Over here, to prove self defence you have to believe your life is in danger (subjective part) and there has to be reasonable grounds for those beliefs (objective), finally you can't use force that is inconsistent with force against you (no way you could get away with using a knife in a fist fight unless you were severely outmatched and probably on the verge of being killed. Te fact that it was 12 times makes it worse. This isn't just a slash to escape, this was going for the kill. I'm really annoyed about this now actually. The the bully kept bullying him to the point where the kid bought a knife. The bullying announced on the bus that the he was going to beat the kid up. The kid tries getting off a few stops early to avoid it and the bully and his buddies followed him off. The bully punched the kid in the back of the head and the kid stabbed him. It's better he killed the attacker than stab the kid once and have the kid take your knife and cut you with it. The bully was 2 years older. I dont blame the kid for stabbing the kid. Edited by Optimus Banana, Jan 7 2012, 04:09 AM.
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ryanson209	Jan 7 2012, 04:12 AM Post #5
MAGICAL GIRLS REPRESENT Posts: 2,336 Group: Member Member #4,331 Joined: July 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica	About 37 Llamas Jan 7 2012, 04:07 AM The the bully kept bullying him to the point where the kid bought a knife. The bullying announced on the bus that the he was going to beat the kid up. The kid tries getting off a few stops early to avoid it and the bully and his buddies followed him off. The bully punched the kid in the back of the head and the kid stabbed him. It's better he killed the attacker than stab the kid once and have the kid take your knife and cut you with it. The bully was 2 years older. I dont blame the kid for stabbing the kid. There's a line between self-defense and overkill, and it's not exactly a fine line. And at THAT, the kid knew in advance that the showdown was going to happen and brought a knife to school knowing this.
	*Life is a performance, and the world is full of critics. Give it your all like it's your last show.*


*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 7 2012, 04:12 AM Post #6
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	About 37 Llamas Jan 7 2012, 04:07 AM Luke_93 Jan 7 2012, 04:01 AM Frankly, that is absolutely ridiculous. Even if he was bullied, you can't use that to justify stabbing someone 12 times imo. I want to ask about this law for clarification. Is this a completely subjective thing? Over here, to prove self defence you have to believe your life is in danger (subjective part) and there has to be reasonable grounds for those beliefs (objective), finally you can't use force that is inconsistent with force against you (no way you could get away with using a knife in a fist fight unless you were severely outmatched and probably on the verge of being killed. Te fact that it was 12 times makes it worse. This isn't just a slash to escape, this was going for the kill. I'm really annoyed about this now actually. The the bully kept bullying him to the point where the kid bought a knife. The bullying announced on the bus that the he was going to beat the kid up. The kid tries getting off a few stops early to avoid it and the bully and his buddies followed him off. The bully punched the kid in the back of the head and the kid stabbed him. It's better he killed the attacker than stab the kid one and have the kid take your knife and cut you with it. The bully was 2 years older. I dont blame the kid for stabbing the kid. It's going a bit far to assume that if the attacker got stabbed he'd take the knife back and stab him with it. The first stab is self defence (I didn't read the age difference properly. Taking into account her cornered him that's probably fair). You might argue the second would be as well. 12 though? I doubt he's in danger after he's stabbed him twice. 12 times is completely overboard. You have switched from defending from a bully to actively killing him. That's not right. This sets a dangerous precedent. How many other school bullies are going to get stabbed now? True, many bullies deserve a bit of a beating but being killed? No way.
	We'll never be those kids again


Optimus Banana	Jan 7 2012, 04:14 AM Post #7
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Luke_93 Jan 7 2012, 04:12 AM About 37 Llamas Jan 7 2012, 04:07 AM Luke_93 Jan 7 2012, 04:01 AM Frankly, that is absolutely ridiculous. Even if he was bullied, you can't use that to justify stabbing someone 12 times imo. I want to ask about this law for clarification. Is this a completely subjective thing? Over here, to prove self defence you have to believe your life is in danger (subjective part) and there has to be reasonable grounds for those beliefs (objective), finally you can't use force that is inconsistent with force against you (no way you could get away with using a knife in a fist fight unless you were severely outmatched and probably on the verge of being killed. Te fact that it was 12 times makes it worse. This isn't just a slash to escape, this was going for the kill. I'm really annoyed about this now actually. The the bully kept bullying him to the point where the kid bought a knife. The bullying announced on the bus that the he was going to beat the kid up. The kid tries getting off a few stops early to avoid it and the bully and his buddies followed him off. The bully punched the kid in the back of the head and the kid stabbed him. It's better he killed the attacker than stab the kid one and have the kid take your knife and cut you with it. The bully was 2 years older. I dont blame the kid for stabbing the kid. It's going a bit far to assume that if the attacker got stabbed he'd take the knife back and stab him with it. The first stab is self defence (I didn't read the age difference properly. Taking into account her cornered him that's probably fair). You might argue the second would be as well. 12 though? I doubt he's in danger after he's stabbed him twice. 12 times is completely overboard. You have switched from defending from a bully to actively killing him. That's not right. This sets a dangerous precedent. How many other school bullies are going to get stabbed now? True, many bullies deserve a bit of a beating but being killed? No way. Well if they knew they might get stabbed they might learn to quit it.
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Cal	Jan 7 2012, 04:17 AM Post #8
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	First off, let me just say that the guy that died was a total prick. He bullied this kid, followed him, wouldn't let the kid run away, etc. I'm thankful I've never been in this type of situation, but trust me if I thought my life was in danger (have no idea if this is what this kid was thinking) you best believe I wouldn't care whether I knocked someone out or killed them. I learned this shortly after a known rapist broke into my home and tried to rape my sister. She punched him in the face and if she had a gun instead of him being behind bars he would of been 10 feet under. I do disagree with the death penalty, but I'm not naive enough to think someone who has bad intentions wont kill you if you don't harm them first. The man that attacked my sister had already been to jail once for a long time for rape and assault on another girl, doubt I would have just asked him nicely to leave after he broke into our house. All that having been said, this case is obviously different. Things to remember though: He didn't start the fight He tried to avoid it by running away *He was attacked from behind Not too sure what i would of done, but if I was scared and had a knife it's hard to know I suppose. Like I said, never been bullied so I don't know the pain lots of students here in America and everywhere else live through every day. As for the court decision: "Justice is nothing more than the advantage of the strong" -Plato



~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Jan 7 2012, 04:26 AM Post #9
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	We don't really get the whole story, so I can't make an accurate assessment, but I don't think this is justifiable. Whatever was going on behind the scenes is convienently left out of the report. We don't know how severely this kid was being bullied. It could have been to the point where he did feel that his life was threatened. The bully may have beaten him up in the past to the point where he actually felt that he might be in serious danger, so he brought a knife. However, none of that excuses the killing, IMO. It was not justifiable. The law states that it is only justifiable if your life is threatened, and the bully only punched him in the back of the head once before the kid pulled out his knife. He should have been sentenced. If the kid had been severely bullied to the point where he felt the need to bring a knife, then I do feel bad for him, but we were not given enough information to make that conclusion, so I don't have any sympathy for him right now.



*Copy_Ninja*	Jan 7 2012, 04:26 AM Post #10
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Alright, I just want to say I don't blame the kid for bringing a knife. Clearly he'd been through a lot and this bully was older than he was. He did the smart thing and ran away, but was attacked anyway. Sure, I can see why he might feel that his life might be in danger. I can see why he would stab him with the knife as a last resort. I could probably just about understand him doing it again in a panic. But to continue to stab someone another 10 times in the chest when they are no longer a threat to you? No, that isn't self defence. If anything, that's more likely revenge. Once he's stabbed him a couple of times he isn't defending against anything.
	We'll never be those kids again


ryanson209	Jan 7 2012, 04:29 AM Post #11
MAGICAL GIRLS REPRESENT Posts: 2,336 Group: Member Member #4,331 Joined: July 21, 2009 Favourite Anime Puella Magi Madoka Magica	May I mention, I didn't realize this story was almost a year old when I posted it here. Heh, whoops.
	*Life is a performance, and the world is full of critics. Give it your all like it's your last show.*


Optimus Banana	Jan 7 2012, 04:32 AM Post #12
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Luke_93 Jan 7 2012, 04:26 AM Alright, I just want to say I don't blame the kid for bringing a knife. Clearly he'd been through a lot and this bully was older than he was. He did the smart thing and ran away, but was attacked anyway. Sure, I can see why he might feel that his life might be in danger. I can see why he would stab him with the knife as a last resort. I could probably just about understand him doing it again in a panic. But to continue to stab someone another 10 times in the chest when they are no longer a threat to you? No, that isn't self defence. If anything, that's more likely revenge. Once he's stabbed him a couple of times he isn't defending against anything. Well the victim was 14 I believe and being bullied a lot might have messed him up in the head to the point where when enraged he lost all emotion and almost became sadistic. A child's mind is fragile and years of bullying might have messed the kid up. The bully wasn't raised right or grew up in a bad neiborhood or something and thought it was ok and as they say "karma's uh b**". Edit: ^^^i actually saw it on another forum inky a few days ago so something must have brought it up. Edited by Optimus Banana**, Jan 7 2012, 04:34 AM.
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Cal	Jan 7 2012, 04:36 AM Post #13
I may not deserve to live, but I will protect those in my reach with my reverse blade! Posts: 5,259 Group: Member Member #6,087 Joined: April 25, 2011 Gender Female Favourite Anime hentai What Browser do you use? hentaibrowser Favourite Manga hentai	ryanson209 Jan 7 2012, 04:29 AM May I mention, I didn't realize this story was almost a year old when I posted it here. Heh, whoops. Well the court decision was made a few days ago, we should probably be talking about how *****ed up United States laws are, but when we hear someone's dead, the court system usually doesn't make the discussion lol.



+ KingOfAllSaiyans	Jan 7 2012, 04:42 AM Post #14
Posts: 2,925 Group: Elite Member Member #6,376 Joined: June 19, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Neon Genesis Evangelion What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk	I agree with both sides of the arguement. I dont blame him for using the knife since he tried to avoid the fight but the kid wouldnt let him. On the other hand, he stabbed him 12 times!! Are you kidding me?



FollowtheLeader	Jan 7 2012, 05:58 AM Post #15
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	Wow. I don't really know what to say about this. He was defending himself, but 12 times? Damn. This world's a *****ed up place sometimes.



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