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SSJ4 Goku (Z) vs Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed)
Topic Started: Jan 6 2012, 12:08 AM (1,583 Views)
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Who wins?
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Izanagi!

Unless you have a massive multiplier for SSJ4, Boohan would stomp imo.
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I think Gohan-Boo is over 45x more powerful than SSjin 3 Goku. Haha. Stomp for Boo, unless I gave SSjin 4 a 50x multiplier.
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SS4 Goku might be stronger than Gohan but i don't see him coming anywhere near Super Buu (Gohan absorbed)
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Jan 6 2012, 01:09 AM
I think Gohan-Boo is over 45x more powerful than SSjin 3 Goku. Haha. Stomp for Boo, unless I gave SSjin 4 a 50x multiplier.
But shouldnt the multipares in GT be lower than Z for non-fused charters, otherwise you will get GT SSJ3 goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Z ssj3 gotenks
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First of all, no offence, but did Goku got SSJ4 in Z. Nope. In Gt yes. And almost everyone knows that the power levels were dropped/altered drastically by TOEI to give a different approach towards realism.

Sure, Buu Saga had things/powers out of hand, so, to bring things back, TOEI degraded/reduced PL of the characters..Its a good one, but sorry to say,it was another excuse for Gt haters to banish it to eternal h*ll.

Otaku's or hardcore fans would definetly disagree with this, but i found that SSJ4 was an incredibly weak installation to the transformation. Its weak in its own aspect. SSJ4's fight with Super Baby Vegeta would have ended in matter of seconds if it was SSJ2 Goku. Anyone, Anyone could hate me for this, but sayin SSJ4 as power enchanced, speed enchanced, power ungrade, no side effects like SSJ3 and what not & so on and so forth, but the fact that SSJ4 got trashed against Omega was unbearable. How da h*ll u get trashed so badly aft SSJ4...Its SSSJ for Heaven's Sake...It was supposed to be ultimate power, and an upgrade to should at least pack a punch or two...

So, to make things short, Buuhan stomps..

Im the one to say things as it is..
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Jan 6 2012, 01:30 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 6 2012, 01:09 AM
I think Gohan-Boo is over 45x more powerful than SSjin 3 Goku. Haha. Stomp for Boo, unless I gave SSjin 4 a 50x multiplier.
But shouldnt the multipares in GT be lower than Z for non-fused charters, otherwise you will get GT SSJ3 goku >>>>>>>>>>>> Z ssj3 gotenks
Base Goku was already more powerful than SSjin 3 Gotenks. He fended off SSjin Gohan-Baby and SSjin Goten-Baby at the same time with moderate effort, and Gohan is even more powerful than he was in Z.
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TBH I don't think it's a stomp for Buu. The multiplier for SSJ4 is enormous. GT SSJ3 Goku couldn't put a dent in Baby Vegeta, while GT SSJ4 Goku took a Revenge Death Ball to the face and completely tanked it. I would think that SSJ3 Goku could fight Buuhan for at least a minute like with what he did vs. Baby in GT, because in spite of what is the established opinion, I actually don't see SSJ3 Goku very far behind Super Buu w/ no absorptions, if at all.

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Jan 6 2012, 09:42 PM
I would think that SSJ3 Goku could fight Buuhan for at least a minute like with what he did vs. Baby in GT, because in spite of what is the established opinion, I actually don't see SSJ3 Goku very far behind Super Buu w/ no absorptions, if at all.

(Sorry if this is a double post)
That works in the anime, but it isn't possible in the manga.
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Jan 6 2012, 09:49 PM
jusjg1
Jan 6 2012, 09:42 PM
I would think that SSJ3 Goku could fight Buuhan for at least a minute like with what he did vs. Baby in GT, because in spite of what is the established opinion, I actually don't see SSJ3 Goku very far behind Super Buu w/ no absorptions, if at all.

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That works in the anime, but it isn't possible in the manga.
Well, I know nothing about the manga. :P
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well, i would have to say, that IMO opinion, the pl's dont affect the way the transformation works.

ssj4 is a massive multiplier, not to mention that in order for this to happen, goku HIMSELF had to become an Mssj3, like in movie 13.

goku turned ssj4 because he looked at earth from tuffle. he also had his tail.

So if goku WERE to turn ssj4 in z then the same results would apply from the same transformation.

If goku had his tail he would be MASSIVELY more powerful and without the energy strain. I would say that WITH it? he would be literally just UNDER gotenks and super buu in base.

Therefore if he gets the ssj4 multiplier and changes forms? Then i could DEFINITELY see him passing up buuhan easy.

In fact i would say that vegito himself would need ssj in order to defeat a z ssj4 goku. But i dont see him being much past vegito, i just think like with buuhan, vegito could seal the deal in ssj. But buuhan was so outmatched he couldnt even respond. Goku wouldnt have that problem.

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Jan 6 2012, 10:14 PM
well, i would have to say, that IMO opinion, the pl's dont affect the way the transformation works.

ssj4 is a massive multiplier, not to mention that in order for this to happen, goku HIMSELF had to become an Mssj3, like in movie 13.

goku turned ssj4 because he looked at earth from tuffle. he also had his tail.

So if goku WERE to turn ssj4 in z then the same results would apply from the same transformation.

If goku had his tail he would be MASSIVELY more powerful and without the energy strain. I would say that WITH it? he would be literally just UNDER gotenks and super buu in base.

Therefore if he gets the ssj4 multiplier and changes forms? Then i could DEFINITELY see him passing up buuhan easy.

In fact i would say that vegito himself would need ssj in order to defeat a z ssj4 goku. But i dont see him being much past vegito, i just think like with buuhan, vegito could seal the deal in ssj. But buuhan was so outmatched he couldnt even respond. Goku wouldnt have that problem.

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I don't understand what you're saying. Goku had to be a SSJ3 to transform? What does Mssj3 mean? I wasn't aware that Goku's tail added any power per se...it didn't against Baby. And are you saying that SSJ4 Goku would beat Buuhan harder than Vegito did? Just trying to clarify.
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Buuhan would stomp unless you give Goku a crazy multiplier.

Btw, what kind of Goku is this? When in Z?
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Jan 7 2012, 12:34 AM
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Jan 6 2012, 10:14 PM
well, i would have to say, that IMO opinion, the pl's dont affect the way the transformation works.

ssj4 is a massive multiplier, not to mention that in order for this to happen, goku HIMSELF had to become an Mssj3, like in movie 13.

goku turned ssj4 because he looked at earth from tuffle. he also had his tail.

So if goku WERE to turn ssj4 in z then the same results would apply from the same transformation.

If goku had his tail he would be MASSIVELY more powerful and without the energy strain. I would say that WITH it? he would be literally just UNDER gotenks and super buu in base.

Therefore if he gets the ssj4 multiplier and changes forms? Then i could DEFINITELY see him passing up buuhan easy.

In fact i would say that vegito himself would need ssj in order to defeat a z ssj4 goku. But i dont see him being much past vegito, i just think like with buuhan, vegito could seal the deal in ssj. But buuhan was so outmatched he couldnt even respond. Goku wouldnt have that problem.

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I don't understand what you're saying. Goku had to be a SSJ3 to transform? What does Mssj3 mean? I wasn't aware that Goku's tail added any power per se...it didn't against Baby. And are you saying that SSJ4 Goku would beat Buuhan harder than Vegito did? Just trying to clarify.
In gt goku trained with elder kai and got his tail back...

his tail gave him the ability to become an Mssj3,

Master super saiyan 3

Meaning NO energy drain at all, and if it WASNt for the energy drain goku would have more power at his disposal, now in the buu saga he was only a midlevel ssj anyways...by movie 13 we met a goku who could transform in a flash and exhibit power GREATER than ultimate gohan, the same applied to the 15 years of training in betweenBuusaga, EOZ, and GT.

According to Elder kai, goku getting his tail back was CRUCIAL for his next transformation into a ssj4.

Goku looked at earth from tuffle and transformed.

The same circumstance needs to happen here.

In z? goku doesnt HAVE his tail.

So in order for goku to BE a ssj4 he NEEDS to get his tail back. Period.

No tail? no mastered ssj3. Then he fought, after he lost was the only when goku realized he DIDNt have the power to defeat BABY.

Thats what im talking about.

The ssj4 multiplier is strong enuff in transformation adders to put him up to vegitos level.

We already decided EOGT goku could defeat ssj3 Z vegito as it is in another topic.

So i dont see ssj4 goku from where he is now too far behind, and if he mastered his ssj3 in Z? he would be as strong as base super evil buu. Just under is my actual guess. Enuff to go a few rounds, and survive.
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