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Power of A2SSJ
Topic Started: Dec 31 2011, 02:22 AM (616 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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Legend

a  ||<  b1.1  *  a  <  b  <  1.21  *  aa is disadvantaged fighting b
a  <<<  b1.21  *  a  <  ba underwhelms b; a isn't worth it.

Power Order

SSJ Future Trunks (RST) ||< SSJ Vegeta (RST) <<< A1SSJ Future Trunks (RST) ||<
A1SSJ Vegeta (RST) <<< Perfect Cell (Initial) <<< A2SSJ Future Trunks (RST)


Reasoning and Assumptions
Super Vegeta tells Semi-Perfect that Trunks isn't as strong as he is, but close enough. I'd assume that this carries down to SSJ. It looked very much like Perfect Cell stomped Vegeta, and Krillin and Piccolo from Lookout seemed certain that Future Trunks power was more than enough to take out Cell.

Evaluate

fighterminimal power (in SSJ Future Trunks (RST))
SSJ Future Trunks (RST)1. 000000 000000
SSJ Vegeta (RST)1. 100000 000000
A1SSJ Future Trunks (RST)1. 331000 000000
A1SSJ Vegeta1. 464100 000000
Perfect Cell (Initial)1. 771561 000000
A2SSJ Future Trunks (RST)2. 143588 810000


What does this mean?
Simple stuff. A1SSJ is, at minimal, 133% of SSJ. A2SSJ is at least ~ 215%.. Remember than I'm using advantage factors, and give good enough reasons for using them. As always, different factors with decent reasons are welcome.

Note
If you believe that the power A2SSJ Trunks was not overwhelming compared to Cell's initial power. Then A2SSJ would end up at 1.9487171 x SSJ. If you believe that A1SSJ Trunks wouldn't stomp SSJ Vegeta, then i'd drop to 1.771561 x SSJ. [shrugs]

What does it have to do with any other form?
Nothing really... No form after it is really acknowledged for being raw power, and no form was really compared to it in such a way, A2SSJ could be as strong as it wants to IMO, stronger than SSJ, SSJ2, or SSJ3, SSJ4 until the person explodes from it... [shrugs]

Though, I will state that i believe that A1SSJ and A2SSJ are essentially the same thing. A1SSJ < A2SSJ should be pretty standard.

It's still obsolete.

How I get the stomp factors

Discuss.
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Ultra Trunks was stronger than Cell.. But Vegeta if he bulked up like trunks then they'd probably be close.. But Vegeta knew the limits and trunks sacrificed his speed.. So really, Vegeta still had the edge
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SSjinG2 Vegeta absolutely murdered 2nd Form Cell, even after Cell made a large power-up to full power.

Initial Perfect Cell humiliated Vegeta easily, and completely tanked a fully powered kick to the neck like he didn't even feel it. That is an immense gap right there. Then he even powers up enough that he's confident in tanking a Galick Gun or Big Bang Attack from Vegeta (otherwise why would he just stand there?).

SSjinG3 Trunks is stated to have power "far" surpassing Cell's, by both Piccolo and Cell himself.

You need massive gaps between all of those characters.
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and i have massive gaps between all the characters. 121% is beast. after that, you can't tell whether someone's fighting for the lols are whether they just don't care.

i don't get pyro, why the discouragement in my topic, bro? I already defined all of those relations in the op. It does say minimum. you can have as large a gap as you want. have at it.

I'm thinking you just don't gel with 121% being a lot, but I'm using manga occurrences.
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I just think you're wrong.
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It makes me sad :( . I can't help it if I'm just posting think based from factual stuff. I hope you eventually think facts are right. :)
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update: I saw this. it needed to be corrected.

0 Cell 2 (At #16)
0 Vegeta (At Cell, Super Saiyan) ~ Cell 2 (At #16)
3 Cell 2 (At Vegeta, Maximum) >>>> Vegeta (At Cell, Super Saiyan)
6 Cell 3 (At Vegeta, Round 1) >>>> Cell 2 (At Vegeta, Maximum)
8 Vegeta (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan) >>> Cell 3 (At Vegeta, Round 1)

0 Vegeta (At Cell, Super Saiyan)
-1 Future Trunks (At Cell, Super Saiyan) << Vegeta (At Cell, Super Saiyan)

8 Vegeta (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan)
7 Future Trunks (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan) << Vegeta (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan)
11 Cell 3 (At Vegeta, Round 2) >>>> Vegeta (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan)
14 Future Trunks (At Cell, Ascended 2 Super Saiyan) >>>> Cell 3 (At Vegeta, Round 2)

Super Saiyan to Ascended 1 Super Saiyan =
Vegeta (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan) / Vegeta (At Cell, Super Saiyan) =
8 - 0 = 8 =
1.25 8/3 = 1.8131206381299917548476860745779 ~ 1.81

Ascended 1 Super Saiyan to Ascended 2 Super Saiyan =
Future Trunks (At Cell, Ascended 2 Super Saiyan) / Future Trunks (At Cell, Ascended 1 Super Saiyan) =
14 - 7 = 7 = 1.25 7/3 = 1.6831521015874091576244480988432 ~ 1.68

Super Saiyan to Ascended 2 Super Saiyan =
Super Saiyan to Ascended 1 Super Saiyan * Ascended 1 Super Saiyan to Ascended 2 Super Saiyan =
8 + 7 = 15 = 1.25 15/3 = 3.0517578125 ~ 3.05
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jun 11 2012, 09:10 PM.
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Biz is so good at maths but I can never understand his topics ;_;

121% might be a bit small. Instead of having an advantage over an advantage (1.1 * 1.1), how about having an advantage over an advantage over an advantage? 1.1 * 1.1 * 1.1 = 1.331, which fits well with Vegeta (Namek) being 1.33x Kiwi.

And it should be simpler to just have SSj2 > A2SSj and abandon the SEG multiplier for SSj2

Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5
Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha
Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!”
Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…”

Else wise Injured SSj2 Gohan < MSSj Gohan, and A2SSj > SSj2, makes sense.
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I no longer use 1.21 :P.

edges over1.077 :)
is barely rivaled by/is advantaged at1.077 * 1.077 = 1.160 :D
overpowers1.077 * 1.077 * 1.077 = 1.25 :rofl:


Dodoria needs to be somewhat stronger than Kiwi (And Vegeta, 18000) at the least; Dodoria still gets taken out, easily enough.

Vegeta 24000
Zarbon 22000
Dodoria 20000
Kiwi 18000

And Super Saiyan 2 ;) . I won't get into that...

Gohan (At Cell, Super Saiyan) <<< Cell (At Gohan, Maximum) <<<< Cell (..., Overpowered) ? Gohan (..., Super Saiyan 2) =>
Gohan (At Cell, Super Saiyan) <<< Cell (At Gohan, Maximum) <<<< Gohan (..., Super Saiyan 2) = 1.4504965105039934038781488596623
Gohan (At Cell, Super Saiyan) <<< Cell (At Gohan, Maximum) <<<< Cell (..., Zenkai) << Gohan (..., Super Saiyan 2) = 1.5625

Gohan (At Cell, Super Saiyan) <<< Cell (At Gohan, Maximum) <<<< Cell (..., Overpowered) <<<< Gohan (..., Super Saiyan 2) = 1.8131206381299917548476860745779
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lolwut that enire post

1.25 isn't too much of difference from 1.21, but it's still a bigger gap, so I think that works a bit better.

edit: but w8, do you still use 2x SSj2 multiplier?
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Jun 12 2012, 07:20 PM.
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:'( . I wasn't even using a multiplier for Super Saiyan 2 in that post.
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