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Frieza's minimal max power?
Topic Started: Dec 29 2011, 08:44 PM (750 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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Legend

a  <<  b1.1  *  a  <  ba is disadvantaged fighting b
a  <<<  b1.21  *  a  <  ba underwhelms b; a isn't worth it.
a  |X|  bX  *  a  =  ba times X equals b.

Order

1 000000  <  Frieza 2 (Initial)  <<  Piccolo (Weighted)  <<  Frieza 2 (Powered)  <<  Piccolo (Weights Removed)  <<< 

Frieza 3  <<<  Goku  |20|  Goku (Kaioken x20)  ~  Frieza 4 (50%)  |2|  Frieza 4 (100%)

Evaluate

fighterminimal power
Frieza 2 (Intial)1 000000
Piccolo (Weighted)1 100000
Frieza 2 (Powered)1 210000
Piccolo (Weights Removed)1 331000
Frieza 31 610510
Goku1 948717
Goku (Kaioken x20) ~ Frieza 4 (50%)38 974342
Frieza 4 (100%)77 948684

So, not using Daiz's 120 000000, Frieza's at least over 75 (77) million at his absolute power.

How I get the stomp factors

Discuss.
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Dec 29 2011, 09:12 PM.
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Goku was using an invisible Kaio-ken x10 the whole fight until he upped it to x20. Derp.
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yup goku had already powered up before he even went go meet frieza, he just wanted to show him whats up.

Then he went x20 and made frieza raise his brow.
Edited by Paikuan extreme, Dec 30 2011, 01:08 AM.
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Minimal Maximum isn't that self conflicting?
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yeah, it should be maximum minimum in certain forms.
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Dec 30 2011, 12:55 AM
Goku was using an invisible Kaio-ken x10 the whole fight until he upped it to x20. Derp.
Goku didn't use Kaioken x10 until Frieza used 50%.

Goku would not have been confident in taking Frieza otherwise.

edit:

wow. I remember the fuss over the Cooler movie.
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Dec 30 2011, 02:38 AM.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Freeza 3rd Form defended himself easily from Gohan's burst?

Personally I believe he had to be at least 2 million to do that, but I'm not sure if he was already powered up on that form by that time or was just playing around.
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Dec 30 2011, 04:09 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Freeza 3rd Form defended himself easily from Gohan's burst?

Personally I believe he had to be at least 2 million to do that, but I'm not sure if he was already powered up on that form by that time or was just playing around.
He had some difficulty, I think it was because he tanked the blast with no leverage, once his tail touched the floor he was able to throw the energy back at gohan.
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you aren't taking into account all the damage that frieza took on the way. the kkx20 kamehameha hurt him somewhat, the spirit bomb nearly killed him. you don't take hits like that and not lose power. his real max was probably 120,000,000, like the daiz stated, but personally, i think he only got up to 24,000,000 vs. ssj goku's 30,000,000.
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Dec 30 2011, 07:36 PM
you aren't taking into account all the damage that frieza took on the way. the kkx20 kamehameha hurt him somewhat, the spirit bomb nearly killed him. you don't take hits like that and not lose power. his real max was probably 120,000,000, like the daiz stated, but personally, i think he only got up to 24,000,000 vs. ssj goku's 30,000,000.
but in this case I don't have to.

I'm only talking about Frieza's actual maximum 100%, not any other power that people believe he may have lost between 50% and 100%.

I'll say that, if you believe that Frieza's 50%, immediately upon using it, at Goku, is much less than his actual 50%, then this topic won't mean much.

But, despite believing that Frieza lost around or over half his ability to raise his power, if anyone believes that Frieza was at his actual 50% power up until Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha, then this is relevant.

OP states it clearly enough, and uses evident advantages as a basis.

Vegeta says Piccolo has an advantage over Frieza

Frieza powers up, and takes advantage.

Piccolo states that he's just getting started and takes off weights.

Frieza 3 stomps Piccolo

Goku stomps Frieza 3, Vegeta, anyone below Frieza 4 Initial at this point.

Goku x 20 is around equal to Frieza's 50% which until then was unrivaled.

So, Goku x 20 x 2 should be a pretty close indicator of Frieza's 100%.

I used the gap between Goku Kaioken (16 000) and Vegeta (18 000) and Vegeta (24 000) and Dodoria /Cui (< 18 000/18 000) to come up with a decent advantage number.
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well, i don't think frieza lost any significant power until the kkx20 kamehameha, which even then wasn't much. it was the spirit bomb that took a huge chunk out. but yeah, his natural max should be about 80,000,000, and his augmented max (while buff) would be about 120,000,000. I go by the assumption that frieza's 100% is similar to the ki weighting technique used by vegeta, trunks, and cell (and probably roshi).
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[thought about above post for a second]

I'll ask a quick question, just for the answer, but not drive it extremely far. You could either respond here or make a topic if you think it's worth discussing in it's own topic:

Would Frieza at 24 000 000 warrant Goku stating, on Namek, to Kaio that he wanted to fight Frieza at his strongest? The contradiction on Goku's part would be that Frieza at 24 000 000 is clearly not him at peak, if you know what I mean. And perhaps Goku could have noted that Frieza's power had decreased that tremendously (50% pre-Genk-Dama Frieza >>> than a guy who's claiming that his going to fight at 100%).
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goku wasn't used to that level of power, and wasn't quite thinking clearly because of his recent transformation. his ki sense would have been off tremendously, especially since the last power he was accustomed to was only 900,000 (90,000 and kkx10) but he just jumped toseveral times that in base, and then several times that in ssj. zenkais and transformations don't improve your skills, which is why nearly all the power statements at this time period are so vague, and even goku repeatedly underestimated frieza. it would make sense that because of the unique situation, combined with goku not wanting to repeat his mistakes of earlier, he could have overestimated frieza this time.
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update: yeah...

equation:

1 000000 * [factor] * 1.25 [exponent]/3 = [power]

fighterrelationfactorexponentpower (rounded to integer)
Freeza 2 (At Piccolo, Round 1)> 1 00000001 000000
Piccolo (At Freeza, With Weights)>> Freeza 2 (Round 1)11 077217
Freeza 2 (At Piccolo, Round 2)>> Piccolo (With Weights)21 160397
Piccolo (At Freeza, Maximum)>> Freeza 2 (Round 2)31 250000
Freeza 3 (Maximum)>>>> Piccolo (Maximum)61 562500
Goku (At Freeza, Maximum)>>>> Freeza 3 (Maximum)91 953125
Freeza 4 (At Goku, Half)~ 20 * Goku (Maximum)20939 062500
Freeza 4 (Maximum)= 2 * Freeza 4 (Half)40978 125000
Goku (Super Saiyan)>>>> Freeza 4 (Maximum)401297 656250
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jun 11 2012, 07:16 AM.
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i agree with Lunar 2.

friezas absolute max and falling was a ki weighted form for sure.

although personally i would have frieza at maybe just over 100 million, because his max power and failing was his last bit of anything, once he powered down from this he would have to sleep for a week imho.

so yeah, frieza at his natural max is around 100 million.

Goku almost seemed replenished once becoming an SSJ.

which also testifies to not only the amount of power goku can put out? but also take.

Which is why 150 million vs 120 at max seems plausible.

Despite all the fighting.

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