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SS2 Kid Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Dec 28 2011, 11:50 PM (4,157 Views)
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How do you think the fight would of turned out if Gohan didn't get the arm injury when Cell came back from the explosion with the zenkai or however Cell got stronger?
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Gohan and Goku both seem to think Gohan is stronger.
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Professor Gohan
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Are you talking about before the fight or the beam clash?
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I don't even really understand what you mean by this question. Gohan beat Cell with the arm injury. How could he have lost to him without it?

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Pretty sure Gohan would have stomped him. It would be like SSJ2 Kid Gohan Vs SSJ2 Teen Gohan.

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With Goku and Vegeta's help he did.. Vegeta would of never jumped in if Gohan didn't get the arm injury. And if I'm not mistaken Vegeta was the reason he killed him because he distracted Cell with the Big Bang Attack. All that wouldn't of happened if Gohan DIDN'T get the arm injury and just have a regular fight with Cell just like he did when he was a normal super saiyan and when Cell was in his perfect form.

So basically my question was.. Could Gohan defeat Cell maxed out at Ss2 while Cell was maxed out when he returned for the final battle.
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I don't think he could. Firstly Cell was confident in winning even after knowing Gohan's power. And Gohan at first was ready to fight but later says:
Gohan: “Ce-Cell’s power has gone up more than I tho-thought…”

And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
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Teen GohanZ
Dec 29 2011, 09:10 PM
And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
It kind of was.
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Dec 29 2011, 09:12 PM
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Dec 29 2011, 09:10 PM
And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
It kind of was.
Cell was going to win without Vegeta intervening. Take out Vegeta and what Cell said was probably going to end up true.
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Dec 29 2011, 09:10 PM
I don't think he could. Firstly Cell was confident in winning even after knowing Gohan's power. And Gohan at first was ready to fight but later says:
Gohan: “Ce-Cell’s power has gone up more than I tho-thought…”

And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
Goku's statement vs Cell's statement. I'll take Goku's statement since Cell is always overestimating himself and has proven to be wrong on estimation of Gohan's power more than once while Goku has been right on estimating Gohan's power multiple times.
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Dec 29 2011, 09:20 PM
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Dec 29 2011, 09:10 PM
I don't think he could. Firstly Cell was confident in winning even after knowing Gohan's power. And Gohan at first was ready to fight but later says:
Gohan: “Ce-Cell’s power has gone up more than I tho-thought…”

And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
Goku's statement vs Cell's statement. I'll take Goku's statement since Cell is always overestimating himself and has proven to be wrong on estimation of Gohan's power more than once while Goku has been right on estimating Gohan's power multiple times.
It's Goku's statement vs Cell's, Gohan's and Piccolo's.
Edit: And Cell's was going to end up right just before Vegeta came.
Edited by Clearin, Dec 29 2011, 09:25 PM.
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Dec 29 2011, 09:25 PM
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Dec 29 2011, 09:20 PM
Teen GohanZ
Dec 29 2011, 09:10 PM
I don't think he could. Firstly Cell was confident in winning even after knowing Gohan's power. And Gohan at first was ready to fight but later says:
Gohan: “Ce-Cell’s power has gone up more than I tho-thought…”

And since Cell states he could beat Gohan and it was never contradicted that's what I'll go with.
Goku's statement vs Cell's statement. I'll take Goku's statement since Cell is always overestimating himself and has proven to be wrong on estimation of Gohan's power more than once while Goku has been right on estimating Gohan's power multiple times.
It's Goku's statement vs Cell's, Gohan's and Piccolo's.
Edit: And Cell's was going to end up right just before Vegeta came.
But Gohan and Piccolo were right. He didn't have enough Ki to beat Cell but he was stronger than him. Kind of like Goku SSJ3 was strong enough to beat Kid Buu but didn't have enough Ki at the time. Using the fact that they were only talking about Ki you can figure that Krillin, Gohan, and Piccolo all implied that Gohan could win if he had enough Ki. So 3 implications, 1 statement, vs Cell who has proven to overestimate himself and underestimate Gohan.

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I have my own theory so that everyone is right.

Cell was confident on beating Gohan in a fight, so he's stronger than Gohan.
Gohan later admits this in a way (He was confident in fighting Cell first but later proves he didn't know how strong Cell was)

Goku says Gohan can win "If he fires a Kamehameha"
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Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!”


Remember how Cell's first kamehameha was weak because Cell was using Cells from the Saiyan saga?
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Cell: “Son Goku…Piccolo…and Vegeta’s cells were collected during the fight when Vegeta and co. came to Earth…”
Piccolo: “…Goku, from back then huh?...So that’s why your Kamehameha just now wasn’t anything special…”


Cell only had 10 days to train his kamehameha so maybe Goku (Who has seen Cell's kamehameha before) knows Gohan's kamehameha is that much stronger than even at less power Gohan can win using Kamehameha. Also Piccolo didn't say Gohan's Ki was weaker until after he fired his kamehameha, so maybe he too was hoping Gohan would have enough power in his kamehameha.

In other words I see it like this:
Goku and Piccolo's expected Injured Gohan max power kamehameha > Cell's kamehameha > Injured Gohan's actual kamehameha at full power (Without rage, maybe Goku was hoping Gohan would get mad to be above Cells? or at least some more hidden power which Gohan didn't seem to have) > Super Perfect Cell > or = SSj2 Gohan > SSj2 Injured Gohan

That's how I view things.
Edited by Clearin, Dec 29 2011, 10:39 PM.
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I disagree and won't counter since I'm a little busy, but I'll ask you personally: Do you think that AT was thinking about all that, honestly?

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illstand1
Dec 29 2011, 10:41 PM
I disagree and won't counter since I'm a little busy, but I'll ask you personally: Do you think that AT was thinking about all that, honestly?
It's not very complicated, I just wanted to explain it best I could. In it's simplest form it would just be: "Gohan's kamehamehas are stronger than Cell's since they're more trained so Goku and Piccolo assumed Gohan would beat Cell using a kamehameha despite being heavily injured. Goku continued to think Gohan would win but needed more rage/release more hidden power".
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