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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 22 2011, 07:27 AM (1,473 Views) | ||
| Ussj Future Trunks | Dec 22 2011, 07:27 AM Post #1 | |
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apparently krillin suggests piccolo KILL two children and himself just to be freed from the ROSAT and then get wished back to this dimension. all this while cheerily smiling. i suppose piccolo and goku qualify for this. they care so little for death in buu arc. piccolo condemns MILLIONS to death by suggesting buu keep himself busy by killing them so gotenks can train. and goku willingly would rather save a useless man he barely knows than HIS OWN SONS, and expresses the barest of remorse after its over, immediately getting over it even though vegeta is shouting http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhatTheHellHero i mean seriously. when did the heroes become worse than the villains they are facing? but to goku this is nothing new. he let vegeta go JUST TO FIGHT HIM AGAIN, knowing vegeta was a ruthless space pirate who was probably gonna commit genocide on some other planet. goku also refuses to destroy the androids in their sleep, because he wants to fight them, knowing they were strong enough to kill vegeta, piccolo and gohan in the future along with most of the planet. though i suppose they are http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WellIntentionedExtremist |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | ||
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| Copy_Ninja | Dec 22 2011, 07:35 AM Post #2 | |
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I'll just make a couple of points: "apparently krillin suggests piccolo KILL two children and himself just to be freed from the ROSAT and then get wished back to this dimension. all this while cheerily smiling." Well, being killed and wished back is better than being stuck in that dimension forever and eventually dying there anyway. "I suppose piccolo and goku qualify for this. they care so little for death in buu arc. piccolo condemns MILLIONS to death by suggesting buu keep himself busy by killing them so gotenks can train. " Piccolo had to do that. If Buu fought Gotenks when he wasn't ready he'd have won and killed them all anyway. Either way they were going to die and at least this way they would have a chance of being wished back. "and goku willingly would rather save a useless man he barely knows than HIS OWN SONS, and expresses the barest of remorse after its over, immediately getting over" That was a split second judgement thing. They were conscious and Goku felt guilty about leaving them to die. Thinking about it logically he would have taken the boys, but he didn't. He didn't have time to grieve as they still had the Buu situation. I don't see why Vegeta didn't grab them though.... I'll give you the Vegeta thing though. That was stupid. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Dec 22 2011, 07:43 AM Post #3 | |
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"Well, being killed and wished back is better than being stuck in that dimension forever and eventually dying there anyway." i know but its the fact that he suggests piccolo ruthlessly murder two children while being all cheery and happy. "Piccolo had to do that" no he didnt. nothing changed and nothing was gained except senseless murder. he could have suggested buu fight him instead on earth. the flight down alone would buy a few minutes at least. and if he had 18, yamcha, krillin and 17 backing up, then obviously they could have stalled for plenty of time with taiyoken spam. |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | ||
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Dec 22 2011, 07:49 AM Post #4 | |
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I can't really remember what you're talking about with the Krillin thing (it's been a while), but here you go:
He did it for the good of humanity. He could either let the people die or send out Gotenks without proper training and risk the destruction of the entire universe.
Goku is selfless. It was a morally correct decision on his part. It takes a really big person to sacrifice one's own son for a stranger. He gets over it because he knows that what he did was right and that when they win they can always wish them back with the dragon balls, whereas Mr. Satan's family would be devastated and wouldn't even know about the dragon balls. By the time he had grabbed Mr. Satan and Dende (I think?), it was too late to save the others.
It's called a "character flaw." Ever heard of one? Without them, characters would be 2-dimensional and uninteresting. You might want to consider analyzing what you're saying before posting something like this.  Just Saiyan.Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Dec 22 2011, 07:57 AM.
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| + Clearin | Dec 22 2011, 01:46 PM Post #5 | |
 
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The thing is Goku didn't see it as a choice, he planned to save everyone but there just wasn't enough time to get to his sons. The only thing not even attempting to save Dende and Mr Satan would have done is make him look like a huge *****. |
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| Kalea_The_Saiyan | Dec 22 2011, 07:56 PM Post #6 | |
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I agree with OFG on everything except the last one. Goku let Vegeta go and waited for the androids to be activated because he's a Saiyan. He never passes up a chance for a good fight. And would you have preferred he let Krillin kill Vegeta? That would mean no Trunks! | |
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Dec 22 2011, 07:59 PM Post #7 | |
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^^^ That's another good point. Goku is known for giving everyone a chance; he is merciful. But that can also be considered a character flaw, regardless of the fact that he is a Saiyan. Vegeta also shares the flaw, albeit his is a bit more severe. |
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Dec 23 2011, 05:28 AM Post #8 | |
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"He did it for the good of humanity. He could either let the people die or send out Gotenks without proper training and risk the destruction of the entire universe. " that wasnt the only option and you damn well know it. "Goku is selfless. It was a morally correct decision on his part. It takes a really big person to sacrifice one's own son for a stranger. He gets over it because he knows that what he did was right " no it wasnt. mr satan was useless as far as goku knew. with gohan there, the buu battle would have been easy. goku risked the destruction of the universe and sacrificed his sons just to save a useless stranger. "By the time he had grabbed Mr. Satan and Dende (I think?), it was too late to save the others." right..someone who has teleportation FTL has not enough time... "It's called a "character flaw." Ever heard of one? Without them, characters would be 2-dimensional and uninteresting." even a pure hearted hero can be interesting and flawed. theres no need to make them evil douches putting their selfish pride above the universe. "And would you have preferred he let Krillin kill Vegeta? That would mean no Trunks! " it would save millions. if piccolo hadnt told raditz anything, there would have been no need for it in the first place. but the "heroes" are arrogant loudmouths. "You might want to consider analyzing what you're saying before posting something like this" i could say the same for you. |
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"I am Lord Freeza, whom none surpass me; no one even comes close! BURN THIS INTO YOUR MIND! I am emperor of the universe! The likes of you are only fit to grovel at my FEET....or better still TO BE CRUSHED, LIKE AN INSECT AT THe WHIM OF YOUR MASTER!!!- Chris Ayres, Freeza, DBZKAI dub from Funimation | ||
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| Copy_Ninja | Dec 23 2011, 05:37 AM Post #9 | |
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What other option do you think Piccolo had other than letting Buu kill the earthlings? If he fought him himself he'd have been killed in 5 seconds and wouldn't have helped at all. | |
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Dec 23 2011, 05:53 AM Post #10 | |
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Even if Piccolo tried to stop buu he would get 1 shotted
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| + Clearin | Dec 23 2011, 01:54 PM Post #11 | |
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He didn't sacrifice them, he was trying to save everyone. By the time he grabbed them he caught straight back up to Vegeta implying he lost no time at all. His sons would have died anyway.
Obviously he wasn't thinking about that otherwise he would have just grabbed them all in one go instead of trying to reach them by flying... |
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Dec 23 2011, 02:29 PM Post #12 | |
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This is funny, when you are faced with the destruction of every living being in the known universe and beyond? a few deaths is gonna be in order no matter WHO it is, the heroes always usually dies first, then the people they are protecting. When an unstoppable monster is killing everyone and u have no time? stalling is the best tactic there is. Krillins joke was just letting off steam over the fact that they were STUCK for LIFE until super buu and gotenks ripped a hole in the time/space continuum. Exactly what would piccolo do besides be useless and not be able to help anyone, being dead? not to mention dende hadnt taken over quite yet and kamis dragon balls were still there. It was porunga that brought everyone back, not shenron. It wasnt until kid buu blew up the earth did anyone realize that he really WAS the most ruthless incarnation of the buus. Without hesitation or worry for beng the best he killed everyone, in a way? thats why kid buu> the other buus, he did in a second what the others couldnt do at ALL!! The z fighters didnt even get a chance to play triage as there was NO warning, or planet rumbling apart to worry about. There one minute? gone the next. Pretty much it. what decisions would YOU have made? NONE!! you know why? you WOULDNT know why, you'd just find yourself standing in line just like everyone else. The universe was saved and the people restored as the plan worked. Rock? meet hardplace... |
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| Kalea_The_Saiyan | Dec 23 2011, 04:25 PM Post #13 | |
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Well, if Krillin had killed Vegeta, there would have been no Trunks. If there was no Trunks, there would have been no one to warn them about the androids. If no one had warned them about the androids, than everyone on earth would have been killed. So, in a way, letting Vegeta live saved lives. | |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Dec 23 2011, 05:29 PM Post #14 | |
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Erm I think saving someone else instead of your own sons is actually a more righteous thing to do. Mr Satan and Dende were awake-they would actually suffer pain while dying. Also he may have just saved Dende and Mr Satan because he thought he could use the Earth's Dragon Balls if Dende was alive still. Piccolo suggested Buu kill all the humans because that was their only hope. They all would have been killed anyway, so better that everybody else is killed 1st and then Gotenks can at least kill Buu and the people can be wished back. As for the rosat Krillin was just suggesting an option. |
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| + Clearin | Dec 23 2011, 05:32 PM Post #15 | |
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That's a good point. No one had planned on using Namekians dragonballs so maybe Goku assumed Dende could make some more on a different planet, and then use them to restore the Earth. |
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