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SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) vs ...
Topic Started: Dec 21 2011, 07:23 PM (945 Views)
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#19 <<< SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) << #20 << Piccolo < SSJ Goku (Afflicted) <<< SSJ Goku << SSJ Vegeta

Even when drained by #19, Vegeta was still able to overpower him. #20 backed down, and Vegeta immediately goes for a Senzu and runs off after him.

Piccolo states something along the line of, "Vegeta's bluff was excellent! #20 doesn't even know that Vegeta was too weak to fight him."

Afterwards, Piccolo tells #20 that he can drastically raise his power and then handles him; #20 was allegedly strong enough to defeat a weakened Vegeta, right?

By manga statements, Piccolo and 20# would have been relatively powerful even in comparison to the Super Saiyans.

So, directly after Vegeta finishes off #19 What are your thoughts?

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SSJ Goku (Afflicted), #19

#20

Piccolo

Piccolo, SSJ Goku (Afflicted)

SSJ Goku (Afflicted), #19

Matches are not consecutive.
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He loses to all of them, especially Piccolo's full power.
Edited by Pyrus, Dec 21 2011, 08:00 PM.
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^ Good. I wanted to be doubly sure. I've been working on a lotta topics, and I thought that this was an interesting fact. Piccolo was frikkin boss, and no one acts like it.
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Yeah,I think he loses to all of them when he is drained,but at his full power he'd easily beat them all
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#19 <<< SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) << #20 << Piccolo < SSJ Goku (Afflicted) <<< SSJ Goku << SSJ Vegeta


Why is SSJ Goku (Afflicted) so strong according to this? He couldn't even take on #19 in that state, much less the others.
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Dec 21 2011, 10:14 PM
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#19 <<< SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) << #20 << Piccolo < SSJ Goku (Afflicted) <<< SSJ Goku << SSJ Vegeta


Why is SSJ Goku (Afflicted) so strong according to this? He couldn't even take on #19 in that state, much less the others.
Goku destroyed #19, even when he was sick. Tenshinhan's all like, "OMG, It's Goku!!"

And Piccolo's all like, "Well, he's doing good... but... he could be doing much better."

That's why SSJ Goku (Afflicted) is so strong according to this.

The above is fact.

I'll now give a bit of opinion; Heart Virus did much more to Goku than #19 did. A Vegeta who was much weaker than Piccolo & #20 demolished #19. Yet Goku was pretty much strong enough to dominate while practically having a heart attack.
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Dec 21 2011, 10:22 PM
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Dec 21 2011, 10:14 PM
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#19 <<< SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) << #20 << Piccolo < SSJ Goku (Afflicted) <<< SSJ Goku << SSJ Vegeta


Why is SSJ Goku (Afflicted) so strong according to this? He couldn't even take on #19 in that state, much less the others.
Goku destroyed #19, even when he was sick. Tenshinhan's all like, "OMG, It's Goku!!"

And Piccolo's all like, "Well, he's doing good... but... he could be doing much better."

That's why SSJ Goku (Afflicted) is so strong according to this.

The above is fact.

I'll now give a bit of opinion; Heart Virus did much more to Goku than #19 did. A Vegeta who was much weaker than Piccolo & #20 demolished #19. Yet Goku was pretty much strong enough to dominate while practically having a heart attack.
Yes, I understand that. But stronger than #20 and Piccolo? I doubt it. The heart virus would have prevented him from doing much against those two.
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Dec 21 2011, 10:22 PM
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Dec 21 2011, 10:14 PM
Quote:
 
#19 <<< SSJ Vegeta (Drained by #19) << #20 << Piccolo < SSJ Goku (Afflicted) <<< SSJ Goku << SSJ Vegeta


Why is SSJ Goku (Afflicted) so strong according to this? He couldn't even take on #19 in that state, much less the others.
Goku destroyed #19, even when he was sick. Tenshinhan's all like, "OMG, It's Goku!!"

And Piccolo's all like, "Well, he's doing good... but... he could be doing much better."

That's why SSJ Goku (Afflicted) is so strong according to this.

The above is fact.

I'll now give a bit of opinion; Heart Virus did much more to Goku than #19 did. A Vegeta who was much weaker than Piccolo & #20 demolished #19. Yet Goku was pretty much strong enough to dominate while practically having a heart attack.
Vegeta wasn't weaker than #20 and Piccolo until he used the Big Bang Attack, son.
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@FanGirl
Yeah, Goku had been affected since before the battle. Tenshinhan mentions that Goku was winded from flying. Goku starts the fight and Piccolo states that he was fighting much closer to full power at the start. The fight ensues a bit and Tenshinhan goes fanboy. Piccolo's a bit iffy but optimistic; he knows that Goku should be outputting much more, but here he doesn't really question it. If Goku were weaker than or only as strong as Piccolo at this point, then Piccolo would have had a real problem with this.

Of course, Piccolo eventually does have a problem; he knows that Goku was at the very least suppose to be much stronger than himself. So by the time Piccolo has a cow, Goku's at the very least around Piccolo's full power, or maybe higher, but not nearly as high as he should be.

How's that? I tried not to have that sound like conjecture.

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Vegeta admits that #19 took a lot of his power. He tells #19 and then he tells #20. Vegeta probably didn't absolute need Big Bang to end the battle. He had already easily enough disabled #19.

Then Piccolo confirms that #19 took the bulk of his energy and that if #20 had fought, he would have won.

Vegeta's energy loss was all #19. :) . Son.
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Dec 21 2011, 11:16 PM
@FanGirl
Yeah, Goku had been affected since before the battle. Tenshinhan mentions that Goku was winded from flying. Goku starts the fight and Piccolo states that he was fighting much closer to full power at the start. The fight ensues a bit and Tenshinhan goes fanboy. Piccolo's a bit iffy but optimistic; he knows that Goku should be outputting much more, but here he doesn't really question it. If Goku were weaker than or only as strong as Piccolo at this point, then Piccolo would have had a real problem with this.

Of course, Piccolo eventually does have a problem; he knows that Goku was at the very least suppose to be much stronger than himself. So by the time Piccolo has a cow, Goku's at the very least around Piccolo's full power, or maybe higher, but not nearly as high as he should be.

How's that? I tried not to have that sound like conjecture.

@Pyro
Vegeta admits that #19 took a lot of his power. He tells #19 and then he tells #20. Vegeta probably didn't absolute need Big Bang to end the battle. He had already easily enough disabled #19.

Then Piccolo confirms that #19 took the bulk of his energy and that if #20 had fought, he would have won.

Vegeta's energy loss was all #19. :) . Son.
That's not entirely true.

A19 did take a lot of his power, but he then he went and used the Big Bang, which should've lowered his power even further. Fighting A20 after that would naturally mean defeat.
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I'm not lying at all.

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In no way is that Viz; if Viz gives another impression, then feel free to correct. Frieza's big death balls didn't give him problems with maintaining power. Vegeta didn't look particular stressed from firing Big Bang. Piccolo mentions nothing of the blast being overkill for Vegeta, or overreaching, and specifically states that it was #19 absorbing Vegeta's power that made him weak enough for #20 to take him. No mention of Big Bang's effects are made until the manga cuts to Yajirobe and Bulma, and they merely state that a giant crater was made.
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How is afflicted ssj goku weaker than 20 when you have SSJ veget drained weaker than him? When SSJ Vegeta is stronger.

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He loses to all except piccolo who he gives a decent fight to in my opinion.
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Kamikaze Pyro
Dec 21 2011, 07:59 PM
He loses to all of them, especially Piccolo's full power.
Agreed
Hey Piccolo......are..are you a Yoshi?
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