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The Power Struggle: Stomping Power!
Topic Started: Dec 21 2011, 06:40 PM (913 Views)
Kruegs Outlandish
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THE POWER STRUGGLE
Stomping Power!




Remember this?  Vegeta decimated this fool...


Vegeta destroyed him easily. Dodoria thought 22000 was a misread, but was finally convinced when he read 24000 from his own scouter; Vegeta beating Cui was the deal sealer. I'm nearly convinced that neither Dodoria or Zarbon is over 22000.


Zarbon does exceedingly better than anyone else so far against Vegeta, even goes so far as to defeat Vegeta once he changes state.



The point? Vegeta was able to completely destroy both Cui and Dodoria within a power interval of [18000, 24000].

That's the point. Vegeta was 133% of Cui's power (Cui was 75% of Vegeta's), and I'm confident that Dodoria isn't weaker than Cui. So, it should be know that Vegeta only needed a little less than a 33% advantage in order to deal with the henchmen completely.

Zarbon managed much more of a resistance to Vegeta's power; as such, I'm sure that Zarbon was well enough stronger than 75% of Vegeta's power.

To this effect, having a minimum power for completely overpowering an opponent higher than 33% is overreaching at it's finest.




Goku uses the Kaioken, but Vegeta proves to still have the advantage.


This looks more like Vegeta vs Cui...



Goku at Vegeta

From Goku's fight with Vegeta, and Namek we learn that:


  • Goku's power is 8,000+,
  • Kaio-ken doubled his power to 16,000+
  • Kaio-ken × 3, tripled his power to 24,000+, and
  • Vegeta's power was at 18,000.
We will assume that Goku's power was not above 8,500.

For the smallest number we could possibly use for an advantage using the difference in power from Goku's Kaioken to Vegeta is:

Goku = 8 500
18 000 ÷ 17 000 > 0.0588


The largest difference:

Goku = 8 000
18 000 ÷ 16 000+ - 1 <
18 000 ÷ 16 000 - 1 = .125


The difference in power is from Goku to Vegeta is between .058 and .125; any number between these work as an advantage factor.



Vegeta at Cui and Dodoria

Vegeta's 18,000 was enough to fend off Goku at 16,000+, but 18,000 to 24,000 looks like Vegeta vs Cui—a stomp for 24,000.

Through inference, we can already get the lowest number needed for a stomp; we know that the lowest number for an advantage is larger than .058, so the smaller number for a stomp would merely be .058+. We don't know how much more power is needed to stomp, but we know that it is at least more than how much is needed to take the lead...

It is easy enough to get the highest power difference needed for a fighter to overpower or hold advantage over another fighter.

From Vegeta's encounters with Cui and Dodoria, we learn that:


  • Cui's power was at 18,000,
  • Vegeta's power was at 24,000,
  • Dodoria was supposedly stronger than Cui, and
  • Vegeta overpowers both Dodoria and Cui.
To get the largest gap possible needed for a stomp we would use Dodoria's and Vegeta's powers. Since we only can infer that Cui is less than or worse, than Dodoria, but we don't have an exact number. We can only say that Dodoria is the smallest bit more than Cui.

Dodoria = 18,000+

The difference in power from Dodoria to Vegeta is:

24 000 ÷ (18 000+) - 1 <
24 000 ÷ 18 000 - 1 ~ .3333


The difference in power is from Dodoria to Vegeta is an arbitrary number between .058 and .333.



Power Differences

These should be the smallest numbers tolerated for advantages and overpowers; using differences less than these are probably intolerable.


If a fighter is < ~[%] of my power...then ...
< 94%I completely overpower the fighter. I shouldn't take damage.
94%I hold a power advantage. The fighter has to focus to fight at my pace.
100%we'd fight evenly despite my higher power.
106%we'd fight evenly despite the fighter's higher power
> 106%I have to fight harder than the fighter just to keep pace.
>> 106%I have little to no chance of victory, barring I exceed my limits.

These are the largest numbers required for advantages and overpowers; using differences more than this are unnecessary.

If a fighter is < ~[%] of my power...then ...
75%I completely overpower the fighter. I shouldn't take damage.
89%I hold a power advantage. The fighter has to focus to fight at my pace.
100%we'd fight evenly despite my higher power.
113%we'd fight evenly despite the fighter's higher power
134%I have to fight harder than the fighter just to keep pace.
> 134%I have little to no chance of victory, barring I exceed my limits.

What numbers do I use? I've found 110% advantage to be particularly useful. For stomp, simply use the square of the advantage percent (110%2 = 121%). This makes it easy to tier fighters.

If a fighter is < ~[%] of my power...then ...
83%I completely overpower the fighter. I shouldn't take damage.
91%I hold a power advantage. The fighter has to focus to fight at my pace.
100%we'd fight evenly despite my higher power.
110%we'd fight evenly despite the fighter's higher power
121%I have to fight harder than the fighter just to keep pace.
> 121%I have little to no chance of victory, barring I exceed my limits.




Scope

The order for Goku at Vegeta, and Vegeta at Cui, Dodoria, and Zarbon:

Goku |2| Goku (Kaio-ken x2) ||< Vegeta <<< Goku (Kaioken x3)
Goku |3| Goku (Kaio-ken x3)

Cui  |<<  Dodoria  <<<  Vegeta <<< Zarbon (Second Form)
Dodoria |<<  Zarbon ||<  Vegeta


How the power differences compare; conflicts are highlighted.

fightersmallest-difference rangelargest-difference rangemy-difference rangeopinion
Goku8 5008 000]8 000, 8 182[8 100
Vegeta18 00018 00018 00018 000
Goku (Kaio-ken × 2)17 00016 000]16 000, 16 364[16 200
Goku (Kaio-ken × 3)25 50024 000]24 000, 24 546[24 300
Cui18 00018 00018 00018 000
Dodoria]18 000, 22 667[18 000]18 000, 19 835[19 000
Zarbon22 667]18 000, 21 334[]19 834, 21 819]21 000
Vegeta24 00024 00024 00024 000
Zarbon 2> 25 411> 32 000> 29 04030 000

Of course, Goku's numbers would have conflicts; Goku would probably not be 8 000 and 8 500. We had to assume that Goku's power was fixed at a certain point to come up with numbers. Goku would be "over" 8000.

Dodoria is implied to be stronger than Cui; by how much is not known. Dodoria at 18 000 is = Cui, not >.
Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Jan 18 2012, 02:56 AM.
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This is great. You should share this over at Pojo DBZ forums. We've been discussing tanking gaps.
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Zarbon himself said 24,000 was more than both him and dodoria, but it was obvious dodoria wasnt aware of zarbons power up.

he went from 18,000 fully powered to 22,000 with gaelic gun fully charged. So in fact vegeta had a planet busting option already. A secret of his im sure...Not to metnion the TWO zenkais he received one from gohan, krillin and goku, and the other from monster zarbon where he was thrown into the healing tank. That pushed him up to around what? about 60,000? sitting in the middle-high area of the power range for the ginyu force.
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Dec 22 2011, 11:27 PM
Zarbon himself said 24,000 was more than both him and dodoria, but it was obvious dodoria wasnt aware of zarbons power up.

he went from 18,000 fully powered to 22,000 with gaelic gun fully charged. So in fact vegeta had a planet busting option already. A secret of his im sure...Not to metnion the TWO zenkais he received one from gohan, krillin and goku, and the other from monster zarbon where he was thrown into the healing tank. That pushed him up to around what? about 60,000? sitting in the middle-high area of the power range for the ginyu force.
???

What does this mean, Ninja-dude?

Vegeta was 18000 on Earth and did not/could not raise power. Vegeta was 24000 on Namek from his Zenkai from the Z Warriors. Vegeta would be much less than 60000 by Recoome. Recoome had to have been much less than 60000 since Ginyu said that 60000 could take them all easily.

I hope you're not trolling, Ninja-Gai.

60000 >>>
60000 * .83 = 49586 (the absolute strongest Recoome could be) >>>
49586 * .83 = 40980 (the absolute strongest Vegeta (after Zarbon) could be)

24000 <<<
24000 * 1.21 = 29040 (the absolute weakest Zarbon 2 could be) <<<
29040 * 1.21 = 35138 (the absolute weakest Recoome could be)

@Selsiuss

'preciate the support. Yeah. The whole Namek Vegeta thing has been a factor for a while. I'm pretty sure at least one more person on this forum has considered it (lunar2).
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bump.

This is edited to be generally better than it was.

Feel free to hug it.
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So you want to play huh?

I think it's great as it helped me work out the piccolo/imperfect cell light grenade tanking power in my PL's :yay:
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Kruegs Outlandish
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↑ This.

This topic has officially fulfilled its purpose. :D

I'm glad that it's helpful.
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Vegeta on Earth = 18,000
Cui = 18,000
Dodoria = 19-20,000
Zarbon = 21-22,000
Vegeta = 24,000
Monster Zarbon = 28-30,000
Vegeta zenkai = 30,000
Edited by Victorious, Jan 18 2012, 03:34 AM.
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