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| Kruegs Outlandish | Dec 19 2011, 03:53 PM Post #1 |
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THE POWER STRUGGLE Saiyans Saga Order This topic orders most, if not all, of the powers of Saiyans Saga fighters. Check this topic for details on symbols REFERENCE CHAINS All known/confirmed powers, except Turtle. MAIN CHAIN Long chain. Readings below Popo are from Gohan, Farmer, and the Z-Warriors respectively. Popo is at least as powerful as the Z-Warriors at this point as to justify Kami's training as adequate; feel free to debate, or even confirm it. Piccolo weighted is stronger than Popo, at least to have an advantage over him. Piccolo weighted was stronger than Kami (Hero) at Budokai. Piccolo kills a Saibaman with minimal effort; this confirmation that he was easily more powerful than Nappa's scouter entailed. Piccolo is in turn much stronger than minimal effort and is stronger still when pushing his limits. Vegeta and Nappa are actually concerned with a power of 5000, while nothing that Piccolo does between Tenshinhan's death and his own merited any reaction remotely close to 5000 battle power. [250] << Kami << [322] Like Popo, Kami is likely more powerful than the Z-Warriors before their training. Piccolo (Makkankosappo Variant, Blast at Nappa) ||< Nappa To cover Gohan's failure, Piccolo and Krillin fire energy at recovering Nappa. Their blasts warranted evasion. Later, Piccolo is able to get a shot in on Nappa as his back is turned, which caused more damage than anything else prior to it. Unlike Choazu's Kamikaze and Kikoho, the blast is strong enough to cause actual damage. [2800] <<< Nappa <<< Goku (at Nappa) Just to show that Nappa handles 2800 well enough while being handled by a Goku who doesn't have to use full strength. Vegeta notices that Goku is completely confident in fighting Nappa, whilst Nappa is convinced that Goku can't even be battle power 5000. [1200] ||< [Raditz, Yamcha] <<< Kaio << Nappa Both Raditz and Yamcha hold advantages over Saibaman, while not necessarily stomping. I'd assume Kaio is more powerful than Raditz as was Enma, though is weak enough for Nappa to at least hold an advantage over him. [1200] <<< Tenshinhan <<< Piccolo Tenshinhan <<< Tenshinhan (Kiko-ho) << Nappa [1200] <<< Krillin <<< Piccolo Krillin <<< Krillin (Scattershot) <<< Nappa Tenshinhan's Kiko-ho was powerful enough for Vegeta to warn Nappa to not be careless, but Nappa seems to take it at short notice and with virtually no damage. Still, I'd warrant Tenshinhan's power at Kiko-ho possibly, but not necessarily, powerful enough despite Nappa still holding the advantage. I'd understand if some people, wouldn't give Kikoho that power. Krillin is similar, except Scattershot did nothing to Nappa, so I'd refrain from debating that Krillin's power wasn't stompable to Nappa. [416] <<< Chaozu << Yamcha Chaozu <<< Chaozu (Kamikaze) <<< Nappa [416] <<< Yajirobe << Yamcha Chaozu and Yajirobe didn't do much to warrant any specific power scaling. I assumed they had become much stronger than Goku's ready power at Raditz, but fell under Yamcha's power. We can say that Choazu at his best (Kamikaze) wasn't enough to dent Nappa. Vegeta (survives Oozaru Gohan) <<< Vegeta (survives Genki Dama) <<< Vegeta (creates Moon) <<< Vegeta (survives Kamehameha) <<< [18000] Yajirobe <<< Vegeta (survives Genki Dama) <<< Vegeta (creates Moon) Vegeta's decline in a nut shell. Goku <<< Vegeta (survives Kamehameha) <<< [18000] This is probably the only place I feel iffy despite still declaring it. Vegeta after Kamehameha is still stronger than "over 8000"... right? 10 x Vegeta (creates Moon) = Oozaru Vegeta (at Goku) [4000] <<< Vegeta (creates Moon) <<< Vegeta (survives Kamehameha) <<< [18000] After Goku's "OMG, Kaio x 5 NO GO!" statement. [15000] < Oozaru Gohan < [28000] Warrants a statement. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Dec 25 2011, 08:15 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 19 2011, 04:57 PM Post #2 |
 
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Do you think that when Goku said Kaio-ken x5 wouldn't even phase Oozaru Vegeta, that he was taking into his full "over 8,000" power, or what he currently had? If it's the former, then O-Vegeta should be at least around 60k, and if it's the former, he could very well be below 40k, depending on how damaged you think Goku was at that point. Vegeta ~FP: 18,000 ~Post-Kamehameha: 12,000 ~Post-Artificial Moon: 10,000 ~Oozaru: 100,000 ~Post-Genki-dama: 5,000 ~Post-Oozaru Gohan: 2,000 Roughly. Edited by Pyrus, Dec 19 2011, 05:00 PM.
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Dec 19 2011, 05:19 PM Post #3 |
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^ I believe Kaioken bolsters user up to X times max until it goes out. I use 110% advantage so KK5 Goku at 40 000 advantage is 44 000 advantage over advantage is stomp is 48 400 so Vegeta is at least 48 400, and can certainly be much more than that. Aside, Goku wasn't really that badly damaged where he couldn't fight at full strength. And, with this, I'm just trying to take all possibilities into account, and make something that's catch-all. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Dec 19 2011, 05:22 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 19 2011, 05:28 PM Post #4 |
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He stated his body was shredded after the Kaio-ken x4, and Kaio backs this up. He only managed to do a measly Kaio-ken to escape one of Vegeta's hits (which I think he still got hit anyway). |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Dec 19 2011, 05:40 PM Post #5 |
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Vegeta could have been just that quick as Oozaru though, Pyro. Oozaru ain't a slouch, and regardless of power drop, Vegeta's still at least thrice as powerful as max. Though, it's possible that Goku's power could have taken a drastic plummet. I always supposed Vegeta was being extremely cautious to have to rely on Oozaru, especially since he can't sense ki at this point. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 20 2011, 12:11 AM Post #6 |
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You're right, Vegeta was stated to be just as quick as he normally was. And yeah, I think that too. He could've easily beaten Goku without Oozaru IMO. I think he would have actually. Oozaru put him in fine position for a blast to the eye, and a Taiyoken, which reduced his chances at victory in the end...and he lost his tail. >_> |
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