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Buu Saga Base Goku and Base Vegeta Vs. Cell Saga Imperfect Cell and Android 18.
Topic Started: Dec 18 2011, 09:37 AM (2,452 Views)
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Dec 18 2011, 04:38 PM

I don't see that at all. 18 would obviously hold back to begin with, thinking Mighty Mask is a regular human, and then she gradually got stronger until she had the upperhand and Trunks and Goten transformed.
No she didn't.

Before the fight;

No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprising powerful punches.”

During;

No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”


I don't get why you are making something out of c18 when you are proven otherwise?

Also the only reason why the kids were losing was because of the clown suit and because Goten was just holding Trunks back.
Read back through the manga and it will clear things up for you.

The kids are potentially muti-fold stronger than c18 in base.
Edited by Cocoman, Dec 18 2011, 05:33 PM.
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Cocoman
Dec 18 2011, 05:30 PM
Teen GohanZ
Dec 18 2011, 04:38 PM

I don't see that at all. 18 would obviously hold back to begin with, thinking Mighty Mask is a regular human, and then she gradually got stronger until she had the upperhand and Trunks and Goten transformed.
No she didn't.

Before the fight;

No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprising powerful punches.”

During;

No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”


I don't get why you are making something out of c18 when you are proven otherwise?

Also the only reason why the kids were losing was because of the clown suit and because Goten was just holding Trunks back.
Read back through the manga and it will clear things up for you.

The kids are potentially muti-fold stronger than c18 in base.
Teen GohanZ is clearly an Android 18 fanboy. There's enough evidence.
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Stop with the fanboy term being thrown around so much. There's no grounds for it and no need for it here.
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Cocoman
Dec 18 2011, 05:30 PM
Teen GohanZ
Dec 18 2011, 04:38 PM

I don't see that at all. 18 would obviously hold back to begin with, thinking Mighty Mask is a regular human, and then she gradually got stronger until she had the upperhand and Trunks and Goten transformed.
No she didn't.

Before the fight;

No.18: “…That weird long-torso freak isn’t anyone ordinary…His small arms had surprising powerful punches.”

During;

No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…”
Neither of those quotes were wrong. But I still don't see how it proves they're on par with her, "Mighty mask" is unusually strong.


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I don't get why you are making something out of c18 when you are proven otherwise

Even if I was proven otherwise you're supposed to actually let me respond first. You can't provide evidence and say "I don't get why you think that when you're proven otherwise", you're supposed to give me a chance to see and read the evidence first.

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Also the only reason why the kids were losing was because of the clown suit and because Goten was just holding Trunks back.

1) If they were FAR above her Trunks could have beat her in one punch regardless of how much the suit was restricting him, the suit doesn't suppress his power. Agreed they can be close to or on par with her and the suit would make a difference but not if they were far above her.
2) After they transform they say they're still at a disadvantage "Because of the suit" implying they were at a disadvantage before due to other reasons but now it's only the suit. Why else would they transform? If they only planned to fire a Ki blast and they were stronger than her in base transforming was pointless.

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Read back through the manga and it will clear things up for you.

I got my opinion from the manga. She clears gains a bigger and bigger upperhand throughout the match until she hits them and they transform.

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The kids are potentially muti-fold stronger than c18 in base.

In which case Trunks could punch her lightly on the face and he'd win, transforming would have been pointless. At most I'd say they were slightly above her for the suit to have made that much of a difference.

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Teen GohanZ is clearly an Android 18 fanboy. There's enough evidence.

Didn't I already tell you that Android 18 isn't even one of my top 10 characters? She's not even my favourite Android.
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The burden off proof lies on you. You have shown nothing to show that c18 is anywhere near the base Kids. I just don't see it.
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why is this here? buu saga goku/vegeta could take perfect cell in base form, with a little ssj help im sure.

eoz goku/vegeta in base would one shot him.

The fact the kids had to transform at all means they were gonna have to get serious about what happened. However, while they were in base they made statement about not wanting to kill 18 with a full power blast. WHich im sure would have been requuired at the time to do so. A full power ki blast would have put her out. Instead she gets wise, they only transformed to ensure the win, and to make sure they dont get hurt. Im sure raising your strength level 50x will put you above someone you could easily hurt in base, she was already feeling their punches. Otherwise those two kids had NO intention of using their ssj power on her.

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Base Goku > Base Vegeta > Base Gohan > Pui-Pui > Kaioshin > Piccolo > #18

This is completely unfair. Even Cell Games Son Goku would win this with zero effort.

Boo arc Base Goku and Base Vegeta are probably gaining on the SSjin or even SSjin 2 tier.
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I can't do that sorry. At the very best I can give you the super saiyan thing I mentioned in the other post but other than that it's all opinion. I see no reason to believe they're as strong as her just because she complimented them and them needed to turn Super Saiyan to throw a Ki blast only further makes me think they aren't.
So yeah I don't have anything to prove it with, it's only my opinion and I won't call it anything more.
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Dec 18 2011, 09:40 AM
Goku and Vegeta nab C18, turn her sideways, shine her up real nice, and stuff her up Cell's...tail.

I think that sums up my thoughts on this battle quite simply.
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Rock, Paper, Scissiors decides who whoops that two of them
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Dec 18 2011, 05:58 PM
why is this here? buu saga goku/vegeta could take perfect cell in base form, with a little ssj help im sure.

eoz goku/vegeta in base would one shot him.

The fact the kids had to transform at all means they were gonna have to get serious about what happened. However, while they were in base they made statement about not wanting to kill 18 with a full power blast. WHich im sure would have been requuired at the time to do so. A full power ki blast would have put her out. Instead she gets wise, they only transformed to ensure the win, and to make sure they dont get hurt. Im sure raising your strength level 50x will put you above someone you could easily hurt in base, she was already feeling their punches. Otherwise those two kids had NO intention of using their ssj power on her.

18 also had no intention of killing a human in front of her daughter. She didn't put her everything into that battle because as far as she knew Mighty Mask was a normal human and couldn't handle the pounding her family and friends could
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Well lets see. Buu saga base saiyans > cell saga piccolo. Cell saga piccolo > 18 and depending upon which point of cell saga >\< imperfect cell.

Regardless if this is imperfect cell that piccolo is stronger than or weaker than, saiyans still take this very easily. Like everyone else says, i even think cell games base saiyans win this. I believe post RoSaT base saiyans > piccolo
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Kblo247
Dec 19 2011, 03:35 AM
18 also had no intention of killing a human in front of her daughter. She didn't put her everything into that battle because as far as she knew Mighty Mask was a normal human and couldn't handle the pounding her family and friends could
Oh? And you know this how? Can you read #18's thoughts, or is there some statements in the manga that nobody but you has heard of?

Nothing suggests #18 was holding back, and she obviously knew Mighty Mask wasn't a normal human.

She was a human once herself and has lived amongst them for 7 years, yet she thinks that a normal human has a Battle Power in the hundred millions? Keep trolling.
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i had the base saiyans above Frieza by Cell Games; i don't think the growth between that up to babidi's ship raises them to #18's power.

#18 couldn't fight to kill Mighty Mask; then she wouldn't gain any money from the tournament. That's her entire reason for entering. So she would not have killed anyone, for those who think that she would have, or that killing was her aim. Let's not digress the topic that much.

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I knew this would end up being another topic about whether or not Goten and Trunks are stronger than 18. The way I look at it is the restriction in the suit at least makes up for any power 18 may have been holding back (which in all likelihood she was. I don't think it's a huge amount though). I think they'd be about even with her overall, I doubt they'd be league above her. Taking that into account, Goku and Vegeta should be a decent amount stronger than her. They'd probably take Cell as well.
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