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1st : Goku and Vegeta are equal,you can be denial as much as you want,but their Majin Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku fight proves it,and if anything Vegeta is better because he tricked Goku by exploiting his naivety 2nd : Piccolo,he isn't exactly on Goku/Vegeta level,but he is above others 3rd : Tien,Krillin,Gohan good trained fighters,not enough to beat higher ones though,be it experience,techniqes or anything 4th : Yamcha,self explaining 
He had to use Majin boost. Goku didn't have to, he got it by training only and he still surpassed him. Goku is better than Vegeta whether you like it or not. Vegeta started off stronger than Goku since he got to train in rosat when Goku was sick, yet one day in rosat threw him milestones ahead of Vegeta (not to mention that Vegeta went in again and was still fodder). As for skill level, I'm pretty sure it was emphasized by Toriyama that Goku would be the most skilled right from DragonBall to Z. There was an interview from AT too that says "Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist!" Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25858I hear it's more of a rumor, but it doesn't make sense for someone to make such a long interview for no reason. Although Goku being the most skilled and only seeing his skill level reflected in Kid Buu should be obvious.
Yes Vegeta used the majin charm to gain power, but not skill. If they are of equal power than its clear based on the Buu saga fight that they are at the very least very close in skill.
Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter.
If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight.
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1st : Goku and Vegeta are equal,you can be denial as much as you want,but their Majin Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku fight proves it,and if anything Vegeta is better because he tricked Goku by exploiting his naivety 2nd : Piccolo,he isn't exactly on Goku/Vegeta level,but he is above others 3rd : Tien,Krillin,Gohan good trained fighters,not enough to beat higher ones though,be it experience,techniqes or anything 4th : Yamcha,self explaining 
He had to use Majin boost. Goku didn't have to, he got it by training only and he still surpassed him. Goku is better than Vegeta whether you like it or not. Vegeta started off stronger than Goku since he got to train in rosat when Goku was sick, yet one day in rosat threw him milestones ahead of Vegeta (not to mention that Vegeta went in again and was still fodder). As for skill level, I'm pretty sure it was emphasized by Toriyama that Goku would be the most skilled right from DragonBall to Z. There was an interview from AT too that says "Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist!" Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25858I hear it's more of a rumor, but it doesn't make sense for someone to make such a long interview for no reason. Although Goku being the most skilled and only seeing his skill level reflected in Kid Buu should be obvious.
Yes Vegeta used the majin charm to gain power, but not skill. If they are of equal power than its clear based on the Buu saga fight that they are at the very least very close in skill.
Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter. If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight. There's no actual proof that they have the same PL, just that they were equal. Although I agree that it was most likely equal PL too.
In this case genius means fighting skill hence why it was translated like that in one of the translations. This is because Goku is actually stupid, his genius is in fighting. If he wasn't talking about genius in fighting please let me know and explain. Thanks
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1st : Goku and Vegeta are equal,you can be denial as much as you want,but their Majin Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku fight proves it,and if anything Vegeta is better because he tricked Goku by exploiting his naivety 2nd : Piccolo,he isn't exactly on Goku/Vegeta level,but he is above others 3rd : Tien,Krillin,Gohan good trained fighters,not enough to beat higher ones though,be it experience,techniqes or anything 4th : Yamcha,self explaining 
He had to use Majin boost. Goku didn't have to, he got it by training only and he still surpassed him. Goku is better than Vegeta whether you like it or not. Vegeta started off stronger than Goku since he got to train in rosat when Goku was sick, yet one day in rosat threw him milestones ahead of Vegeta (not to mention that Vegeta went in again and was still fodder). As for skill level, I'm pretty sure it was emphasized by Toriyama that Goku would be the most skilled right from DragonBall to Z. There was an interview from AT too that says "Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist!" Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25858I hear it's more of a rumor, but it doesn't make sense for someone to make such a long interview for no reason. Although Goku being the most skilled and only seeing his skill level reflected in Kid Buu should be obvious.
Yes Vegeta used the majin charm to gain power, but not skill. If they are of equal power than its clear based on the Buu saga fight that they are at the very least very close in skill.
Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter. If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight.
There's no actual proof that they have the same PL, just that they were equal. Although I agree that it was most likely equal PL too. In this case genius means fighting skill hence why it was translated like that in one of the translations. This is because Goku is actually stupid, his genius is in fighting. If he wasn't talking about genius in fighting please let me know and explain. Thanks  Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…”
Vegeta trained harder than him, but Goku knew how to train better. That is how I always took that statement.
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1st : Goku and Vegeta are equal,you can be denial as much as you want,but their Majin Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku fight proves it,and if anything Vegeta is better because he tricked Goku by exploiting his naivety 2nd : Piccolo,he isn't exactly on Goku/Vegeta level,but he is above others 3rd : Tien,Krillin,Gohan good trained fighters,not enough to beat higher ones though,be it experience,techniqes or anything 4th : Yamcha,self explaining 
He had to use Majin boost. Goku didn't have to, he got it by training only and he still surpassed him. Goku is better than Vegeta whether you like it or not. Vegeta started off stronger than Goku since he got to train in rosat when Goku was sick, yet one day in rosat threw him milestones ahead of Vegeta (not to mention that Vegeta went in again and was still fodder). As for skill level, I'm pretty sure it was emphasized by Toriyama that Goku would be the most skilled right from DragonBall to Z. There was an interview from AT too that says "Still, Son Goku will always be the most skilled martial artist!" Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25858I hear it's more of a rumor, but it doesn't make sense for someone to make such a long interview for no reason. Although Goku being the most skilled and only seeing his skill level reflected in Kid Buu should be obvious.
Yes Vegeta used the majin charm to gain power, but not skill. If they are of equal power than its clear based on the Buu saga fight that they are at the very least very close in skill.
Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter. If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight.
There's no actual proof that they have the same PL, just that they were equal. Although I agree that it was most likely equal PL too. In this case genius means fighting skill hence why it was translated like that in one of the translations. This is because Goku is actually stupid, his genius is in fighting. If he wasn't talking about genius in fighting please let me know and explain. Thanks 
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “… No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta trained harder than him, but Goku knew how to train better. That is how I always took that statement. Yeah obviously, Goku is more of a genius at gaining strength. Pretty heavily evidenced everywhere. First Goku said not to kill Piccolo, since he was impressed by the skill level and wanted to fight him again. Then Goku said not to kill Vegeta since that was the most skilled person that he fought. Finally he fought Kid Buu, and wanted him reincarnated since that was the most skilled person that he fought at that point. From that you can see in terms of skill:
Goku = Kid Buu > Vegeta > Piccolo
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Yes Vegeta used the majin charm to gain power, but not skill. If they are of equal power than its clear based on the Buu saga fight that they are at the very least very close in skill.
Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter. If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight.
There's no actual proof that they have the same PL, just that they were equal. Although I agree that it was most likely equal PL too. In this case genius means fighting skill hence why it was translated like that in one of the translations. This is because Goku is actually stupid, his genius is in fighting. If he wasn't talking about genius in fighting please let me know and explain. Thanks 
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “… No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta trained harder than him, but Goku knew how to train better. That is how I always took that statement.
Yeah obviously, Goku is more of a genius at gaining strength. Pretty heavily evidenced everywhere. First Goku said not to kill Piccolo, since he was impressed by the skill level and wanted to fight him again. Then Goku said not to kill Vegeta since that was the most skilled person that he fought. Finally he fought Kid Buu, and wanted him reincarnated since that was the most skilled person that he fought at that point. From that you can see in terms of skill: Goku = Kid Buu > Vegeta > Piccolo I mean you're entitled to your own opinion, but I completely disagree.
If Goku was so much more skilled in fighting than Vegeta, then their battle in the Buu saga would not have ended the way it did.
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Ability to gain power fast is a part of your skill level. Vegeta said that himself.
I'm sorry dude,but that just doesn't make sense,so many examples See : Gohan - goes ssj in time chamber just like that,then goes FPSSJ,then in such a short time ssj2 just by seeing an android that wanted to kill his father dying,all that for a guy who doesn't even *****ing like to fight,meanwhile Vegeta saw his SON die,a son that he ignored even though he would give his life for him,killed by a guy who tricked him in battle.Now THAT is a reason to go SSJ2,but Toriyama had to give Cell to Gohan because Vegeta is not main character and it isn't fitting for him to finish a villain Then in buu saga Gohan goes from weak ssj2 level and no training at all in 7 years to Goku's ssj3 level just like that,while Vegeta was given only ssj2 in those 7 years,btw they didn't even bother to explain how Goku reached SSJ3 But now,to completely shut down your theory,2 words are enough to prove that Skill =/= power level Fat Buu
No you have it all wrong I'm not talking about unlocking SSJ or whatever, that's not an accurate representation of anything, that's just a representation of hidden power. I'm talking about the ability to gain power through training and Goku has always been one step ahead of Vegeta in terms of gaining power. Enjoy, right out of Vegeta's mouth: Spoiler: click to toggle "You're a better fighter than I am"
That's an inaccurate fanslation. Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “…No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta says Goku is a greater genius than him, not a better fighter.
Exactly, Goku is a greater "genius", not a fighter. If they are at equal power level's and fight each other, it will end in a tie. Proven by the Buu Saga fight.
There's no actual proof that they have the same PL, just that they were equal. Although I agree that it was most likely equal PL too. In this case genius means fighting skill hence why it was translated like that in one of the translations. This is because Goku is actually stupid, his genius is in fighting. If he wasn't talking about genius in fighting please let me know and explain. Thanks 
Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P10.3-4, P11.2-3 Context: as Goku and Vegeta fight Goku: “Un-unbelievable…I thought I trained considerably in the afterlife…But we’re completely even…You trained more than me…” Vegeta: “… No, that’s not it…I think I did perform more special training than you, but you’re a greater genius than I am…No matter how much time passed, this gap wouldn’t change…I realized this, when yo-you fought with that monster Babidi sent…It was a shock…That’s why I secretly resolved myself…” Vegeta: “Yeah…At the tournament, the people who knew that pair who Babidi made into his underlings said that they had become far stronger than before…I remembered that, and I thought…That if I were taken over by him too, then the gap between you and me would vanish…And I was right…” Vegeta trained harder than him, but Goku knew how to train better. That is how I always took that statement.
Yeah obviously, Goku is more of a genius at gaining strength. Pretty heavily evidenced everywhere. First Goku said not to kill Piccolo, since he was impressed by the skill level and wanted to fight him again. Then Goku said not to kill Vegeta since that was the most skilled person that he fought. Finally he fought Kid Buu, and wanted him reincarnated since that was the most skilled person that he fought at that point. From that you can see in terms of skill: Goku = Kid Buu > Vegeta > Piccolo
I mean you're entitled to your own opinion, but I completely disagree. If Goku was so much more skilled in fighting than Vegeta, then their battle in the Buu saga would not have ended the way it did. Yeah I guess we'll just disagree but I think there's simply too many manga statements and implications and the interview that say Goku is the most skilled.
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You guys are forgetting one simple thing Actually two things kind of
The winner wouldn't be Goku, not at all, nevermind skill on that he wins yeah that's fair
But Chi Chi is consdered a Z fighter
Chi Chi wins after a fight with Bulma shortly after beating Goku who'd hardly go all out against his scary wife
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Dec 17 2011, 05:44 AM
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After reading all the comments and thinking long and hard i have changed my opinion from piccolo to goku. Goku has a few useful tricks up his sleeve which i think would give him the upper hand (over vegeta and everyone else). Im talking about his IT and solar flare. This moves can be very useful against an equal opponent who doesnt possess this skills.
Also for all everybody debating vegeta is more skilled then goku because of the buu saga fight, you cant use that as evidence. However good vegeta may have faired, goku obviously wasnt trying to defeat vegeta. If he was he would have just went ssj3 which he didnt. We all know vegeta wouldnt have hesitated to demolish/kill goku but goku had no desire to do that to vegeta, nor would he.
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Dec 17 2011, 02:16 PM
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- Dec 17 2011, 05:44 AM
After reading all the comments and thinking long and hard i have changed my opinion from piccolo to goku. Goku has a few useful tricks up his sleeve which i think would give him the upper hand (over vegeta and everyone else). Im talking about his IT and solar flare. This moves can be very useful against an equal opponent who doesnt possess this skills.
Also for all everybody debating vegeta is more skilled then goku because of the buu saga fight, you cant use that as evidence. However good vegeta may have faired, goku obviously wasnt trying to defeat vegeta. If he was he would have just went ssj3 which he didnt. We all know vegeta wouldnt have hesitated to demolish/kill goku but goku had no desire to do that to vegeta, nor would he. I'm not trying to prove that Vegeta is more skilled in fighting; only that he is equal or atleast very close.
I'm pretty sure Goku was trying to defeat Vegeta, why wouldn't he? Goku didn't go SSJ3 because he didn't know how long it would last. He was saving that for Buu.
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Dec 17 2011, 02:20 PM
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- Dec 17 2011, 05:44 AM
After reading all the comments and thinking long and hard i have changed my opinion from piccolo to goku. Goku has a few useful tricks up his sleeve which i think would give him the upper hand (over vegeta and everyone else). Im talking about his IT and solar flare. This moves can be very useful against an equal opponent who doesnt possess this skills.
Also for all everybody debating vegeta is more skilled then goku because of the buu saga fight, you cant use that as evidence. However good vegeta may have faired, goku obviously wasnt trying to defeat vegeta. If he was he would have just went ssj3 which he didnt. We all know vegeta wouldnt have hesitated to demolish/kill goku but goku had no desire to do that to vegeta, nor would he. What are you talking about? Buu would cream the stuffing out of any Z Fighter at equal levels.
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Dec 17 2011, 05:04 PM
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- Dec 16 2011, 10:51 PM
1st : Goku and Vegeta are equal,you can be denial as much as you want,but their Majin Vegeta vs SSj2 Goku fight proves it,and if anything Vegeta is better because he tricked Goku by exploiting his naivety 2nd : Piccolo,he isn't exactly on Goku/Vegeta level,but he is above others 3rd : Tien,Krillin,Gohan good trained fighters,not enough to beat higher ones though,be it experience,techniqes or anything 4th : Yamcha,self explaining  I don't know if you read the very first post, so here:
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Ok so i got to thinking and was curious, if all of the z fighters had the exact same power levels (no zenkais, power ups etc.), who do you think would prevail?
Things i think you would have to take into account to make a decision are techniques, experience, smarts, will power, strategy, confidence, abilities etc.
I have yet to make my decision yet, but im leaning towards piccolo. He seems to be one of if not the most intelligent fighter and his regeneration ability would help him alot. Then again goku has IT so its tough.
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Dec 18 2011, 10:03 AM
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If they were all the same power level one would have to assume that the person who wields the strongest attack would win
That means Goku's Spirit Bomb, but it's doubtful anyone would give him the time to get the attack off.
I think that, relative to power level, the next strongest individual attack has got to be Tien's Neo Tri-Beam. He may not have damanged Cell when he used it against him, but he was able to hold him off for quite awhile. Considering how minuscule his power level was in relation to Semi-Perfect Cell, one would assume that had he used the attack on someone with a power closer to his own the target would be obliterated.
Sort of raises questions as to why a character more powerful than Tien never uses the Tri-Beam (except a few Cell Jrs).
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Well,they could have said whatever they wanted,Goku and Vegeta still were equal when they fought at equal power lvls
Goku and Vegeta are going to be the last ones standing and they fight until they both collapse from exhaustion
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Dec 19 2011, 01:36 PM
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Mr Boo takes this. On equal power levels his regeneration would be incredibly annoying for the rest of the Z fighters, eventually they would just tire and Buu can roly poly over to them and give 'em a good knock on the head.
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- Dec 19 2011, 01:36 PM
Mr Boo takes this. On equal power levels his regeneration would be incredibly annoying for the rest of the Z fighters, eventually they would just tire and Buu can roly poly over to them and give 'em a good knock on the head. I see no reason to count that regen in these kind of threads,its too obvious that Buu will win then because he can't *****ing die,and its no fun to see that retarded spit out chewing gum winning
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