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SSJ Goku (Yardrat) vs Android 19
Topic Started: Dec 15 2011, 03:33 PM (2,421 Views)
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I think A19 would beat him. I don't think Goku was that much more powerful than Trunks when he arrived, and I think A19 was a monster to Trunks.
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Dec 15 2011, 03:38 PM
I think A19 would beat him. I don't think Goku was that much more powerful than Trunks when he arrived, and I think A19 was a monster to Trunks.
Monster? Trunks just was shocked because A19 never existed in his time. I've never seen or read anything that said Trunks was afraid of A19 or less powerful than A19 when he first arrived. I think SSJ Goku (Yardrat) would win. SSJ Vegeta said A19 was a joke and I don't think SSJ Vegeta was that much more powerful than SSJ Goku (Yardrat)
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I agree. Base Vegeta was able to knock 19 flying. They were barely stronger than Freeza.


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Dec 15 2011, 03:49 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 03:38 PM
I think A19 would beat him. I don't think Goku was that much more powerful than Trunks when he arrived, and I think A19 was a monster to Trunks.
Monster? Trunks just was shocked because A19 never existed in his time. I've never seen or read anything that said Trunks was afraid of A19 or less powerful than A19 when he first arrived. I think SSJ Goku (Yardrat) would win.

Trunks said the androids would be more powerful than him. Piccolo questioned if Trunks' androids were the same as theirs or they'd just gotten too powerful, and that was about all we got on A19 and A20. I think if they were as weak as Freeza, someone would have mentioned something, especially Goku or Piccolo. Even without Ki sensing, they can gauge how powerful someone is from how they fight.
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SSJ Vegeta said A19 was a joke and I don't think SSJ Vegeta was that much more powerful than SSJ Goku (Yardrat)

Are you serious? You don't think they made any impressive gains over 3 years of harsh training? That's a little odd.
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Dec 15 2011, 03:50 PM
I agree. Base Vegeta was able to knock 19 flying. They were barely stronger than Freeza.

Surprise attack. Same thing with Piccolo kicking Freeza away from Goku. They mean nothing.
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The fact that it was able to do anything means something. Even a weakened, dying Goku was able to smack 19 around. 19 & 20 were trash.


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If this is pre-absorptions then SSJ Yardrat Goku might win, but he would have to struggle, post absorption he loses badly.
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Dec 15 2011, 04:02 PM
The fact that it was able to do anything means something. Even a weakened, dying Goku was able to smack 19 around. 19 & 20 were trash.
So Piccolo was close to 50% Freeza's strength? And SSjin Kid Trunks was close to Dai Kaioshin Boo's strength? That's what you're telling me by using this Vegeta example. Either they're close in strength, or surprise attacks don't factor in defense. It's one or the other.

Goku wasn't that weak until he fired his Kamehameha.

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P8.4-5, P9.
Piccolo: “Have you noticed too, Gohan?...”
Gohan: “Y-yes…”
Piccolo: “Son Goku is rushing the match for some reason…He’s already putting out close to his full power…But even so, what’s with that miserable condition of his?...”
Tenshinhan: “Th-that miserable condition…!? What are you talking about? Goku’s overwhelmingly pushing him back…!”
Piccolo: “It’s not that. As a Super Saiyan, Goku’s power should be more stupendous than this…”

He was still much stronger than he was after returning from Yardrat according to Tenshinhan and the others. The only people not impressed were Gohan and Piccolo, but that's because they already knew how powerful he was.

Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P13.1-2
Tenshinhan: “Wh-what a ki! Amazing…! S-so this is Goku as a Super Saiyan…?!”
Piccolo: “…”

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.2-4
Context: as Goku fights No.19
Tenshinhan: ”In-incredible…What strength…S-so that’s a Super Saiyan…He’s in a completely different dimension than we are…Too different…”
Piccolo: “…I wonder…”

Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P7.4
Tenshinhan: “There’s no need to worry. Goku is outrageously strong. This ‘Super Saiyan’ thing is incredible…! These guys talk big, but they’re helpless.”
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I'm not sure how powerful the Androids are. Dr Gero, even after absorbing most of Yamcha's energy, one of Vegeta's attacks and most of Piccolo's energy (to the point where he needed a senzu) still got beat easily.
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Dec 15 2011, 05:03 PM
I'm not sure how powerful the Androids are. Dr Gero, even after absorbing most of Yamcha's energy, one of Vegeta's attacks and most of Piccolo's energy (to the point where he needed a senzu) still got beat easily.
Piccolo's just a beast.
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Picollo is hax. He goes from 1.6 million to over 120 in 3 years? That's probably the biggest power increase from training than any other character in dbz history.


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Dec 15 2011, 06:02 PM
Picollo is hax. He goes from 1.6 million to over 120 in 3 years? That's probably the biggest power increase from training than any other character in dbz history.
Gohan got a bigger one in the Saiyan Saga, going from 1 to over 1,000.
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I think A19 would beat him. I don't think Goku was that much more powerful than Trunks when he arrived, and I think A19 was a monster to Trunks.
Monster? Trunks just was shocked because A19 never existed in his time. I've never seen or read anything that said Trunks was afraid of A19 or less powerful than A19 when he first arrived. I think SSJ Goku (Yardrat) would win.

Trunks said the androids would be more powerful than him. Piccolo questioned if Trunks' androids were the same as theirs or they'd just gotten too powerful, and that was about all we got on A19 and A20. I think if they were as weak as Freeza, someone would have mentioned something, especially Goku or Piccolo. Even without Ki sensing, they can gauge how powerful someone is from how they fight.
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SSJ Vegeta said A19 was a joke and I don't think SSJ Vegeta was that much more powerful than SSJ Goku (Yardrat)

Are you serious? You don't think they made any impressive gains over 3 years of harsh training? That's a little odd.
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Dec 15 2011, 03:50 PM
I agree. Base Vegeta was able to knock 19 flying. They were barely stronger than Freeza.

Surprise attack. Same thing with Piccolo kicking Freeza away from Goku. They mean nothing.
Piccolo's questioning whether these were the androids that Trunks had talked about or if they were stronger than they thought serves as proof that the androids were relatively weak. He didn't have to explicitly compare A19 and A20 to Frieza; I think what he said is basically the same thing
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Gohan's power level in the Saiyan saga was like 700 or something before training with Picollo.

Picollo literally got himself like 75x stronger than before. That's like if Goku had surpassed his SSJ level in base form. I don't think he even managed that during the 7 years he was dead. Or in the Rosat.



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Dec 15 2011, 06:24 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 03:56 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 03:49 PM
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Dec 15 2011, 03:38 PM
I think A19 would beat him. I don't think Goku was that much more powerful than Trunks when he arrived, and I think A19 was a monster to Trunks.
Monster? Trunks just was shocked because A19 never existed in his time. I've never seen or read anything that said Trunks was afraid of A19 or less powerful than A19 when he first arrived. I think SSJ Goku (Yardrat) would win.

Trunks said the androids would be more powerful than him. Piccolo questioned if Trunks' androids were the same as theirs or they'd just gotten too powerful, and that was about all we got on A19 and A20. I think if they were as weak as Freeza, someone would have mentioned something, especially Goku or Piccolo. Even without Ki sensing, they can gauge how powerful someone is from how they fight.
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SSJ Vegeta said A19 was a joke and I don't think SSJ Vegeta was that much more powerful than SSJ Goku (Yardrat)

Are you serious? You don't think they made any impressive gains over 3 years of harsh training? That's a little odd.
Pelador
Dec 15 2011, 03:50 PM
I agree. Base Vegeta was able to knock 19 flying. They were barely stronger than Freeza.

Surprise attack. Same thing with Piccolo kicking Freeza away from Goku. They mean nothing.
Piccolo's questioning whether these were the androids that Trunks had talked about or if they were stronger than they thought serves as proof that the androids were relatively weak. He didn't have to explicitly compare A19 and A20 to Frieza; I think what he said is basically the same thing

Why would he have to compare them to Freeza? He was far above Freeza already. Questioning the androids' strength serves just as much proof that they are stronger than Freeza.
Pelador
Dec 15 2011, 06:27 PM
Gohan's power level in the Saiyan saga was like 700 or something before training with Picollo.

Picollo literally got himself like 75x stronger than before. That's like if Goku had surpassed his SSJ level in base form. I don't think he even managed that during the 7 years he was dead. Or in the Rosat.


Gohan when he wasn't enraged was at 1. His enraged level was 700.
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