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SSJ Vegeta vs Mecha Frieza
Topic Started: Dec 13 2011, 07:28 PM (3,274 Views)
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Vegeta: 4.500.000
[SSJ]: 225.000.000

Frieza [100%, cybernetic enchancements]: 145.000.000
King Cold [100%]: 100.000.000
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Mecha Freeza > 150 million

But yea there's no reason why Vegeta couldn't be that strong.
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Dec 15 2011, 10:29 PM
Mecha Freeza > 150 million

But yea there's no reason why Vegeta couldn't be that strong.
That can be true, Frieza says to Cold that he is confident on taking Goku, he even says he maybe wouldnt need his fathers help for that, so MAYBE...

Frieza [100%, cybernetic enchancements]: 175.000.000 - 180.000.000
King Cold [100%]: 100.000.000

Future Trunks: 25.000.000
[SSJ]: 250.000.000

Yardrat Goku: 28.000.000
[SSJ]: 280.000.000

Note: I think that the x50 multiplier for SSJ is only the first time it is achieved, then it reduces to x10 (if we follow AT's intentions).
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Yea, Freeza says he can probably beat Goku, and with Cold's help it will be a piece of cake.

And that's not even trying to account for if Freeza thinks Goku improved, which could be the case as well...

I get the 10x logic, but I personally don't see a good enough reason to do so until MSSJ. But it's quite possible Tien and co are much more relevant than the 50x implies.
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Dec 15 2011, 10:41 PM
Yea, Freeza says he can probably beat Goku, and with Cold's help it will be a piece of cake.

And that's not even trying to account for if Freeza thinks Goku improved, which could be the case as well...

I get the 10x logic, but I personally don't see a good enough reason to do so until MSSJ. But it's quite possible Tien and co are much more relevant than the 50x implies.
I agree with the x50 and the MSSJ, but the x10 mutiplier helps to increase the humans PL's post Frieza Saga, for example...

Android Saga:

Goku: 45.000.000
[SSJ]: 450.000.000

Vegeta: 48.000.000
[SSJ]: 480.000.000

Gohan: 35.000.000

Tien: 30.000.000

Krillin: 24.000.000

Yamcha: 18.500.000

This looks better than the classicla underated humans PL's of hardly above the million.
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Agreed. I think humans seem to be a lot more relevant than the 50x boost suggest, yet we know the Base Saiyans > Humans at this point.

It's definitely interesting, but good night, you also limit yourself here with Base Trunks Cell Games having to be somewhere in the Future Androids realm, and a power above 50% MSSJ Goku divided by 10, is going to haunt your logic I would think...

By Tiens statement, we know Base Goku is not in a different dimension then himself...
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Dec 15 2011, 10:48 PM
p123
Dec 15 2011, 10:41 PM
Yea, Freeza says he can probably beat Goku, and with Cold's help it will be a piece of cake.

And that's not even trying to account for if Freeza thinks Goku improved, which could be the case as well...

I get the 10x logic, but I personally don't see a good enough reason to do so until MSSJ. But it's quite possible Tien and co are much more relevant than the 50x implies.
I agree with the x50 and the MSSJ, but the x10 mutiplier helps to increase the humans PL's post Frieza Saga, for example...

Android Saga:

Goku: 45.000.000
[SSJ]: 450.000.000

Vegeta: 48.000.000
[SSJ]: 480.000.000

Gohan: 35.000.000

Tien: 30.000.000

Krillin: 24.000.000

Yamcha: 18.500.000

This looks better than the classicla underated humans PL's of hardly above the million.
I'd have it more like:

Goku
~Base: 50,000,000
~SSjin: 500,000,000

Vegeta
~Base: 55,000,000
~SSjin: 550,000,000

Trunks
~Base: 45,000,000
~SSjin: 450,000,000

Piccolo: 335,000,000
Gohan: 35,000,000
Krillin: 10,500,000
Tenshinhan: 10,000,000
Yamcha: 5,000,000
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KP what do you think of the possibility of Mecha Freeza under the assumption Goku had improved? That would just create anarachy huh?
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Dec 15 2011, 10:59 PM
KP what do you think of the possibility of Mecha Freeza under the assumption Goku had improved? That would just create anarachy huh?
It doesn't bother me much. Just a bigger gap than before. The only problem is Goku wouldn't logically have had the time to gain that much strength, but if the plot called for it then I don't know.
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Dec 15 2011, 10:48 PM
p123
Dec 15 2011, 10:41 PM
Yea, Freeza says he can probably beat Goku, and with Cold's help it will be a piece of cake.

And that's not even trying to account for if Freeza thinks Goku improved, which could be the case as well...

I get the 10x logic, but I personally don't see a good enough reason to do so until MSSJ. But it's quite possible Tien and co are much more relevant than the 50x implies.
I agree with the x50 and the MSSJ, but the x10 mutiplier helps to increase the humans PL's post Frieza Saga, for example...

Android Saga:

Goku: 45.000.000
[SSJ]: 450.000.000

Vegeta: 48.000.000
[SSJ]: 480.000.000

Gohan: 35.000.000

Tien: 30.000.000

Krillin: 24.000.000

Yamcha: 18.500.000

This looks better than the classicla underated humans PL's of hardly above the million.
Yamcha's power level can explain why Artificial Humans thought that Yamcha was Goku, and this can also explain the Androids power.

Goku: 18.500.000
[Kaioken]: 37.000.000
[Kaioken x3]: 55.500.000
[Kaioken x4]: 74.000.000
[Hypothetical Kaioken x5]: 92.500.000
[Kaioken x10]: 185.000.000

So the Androids could be nowhere between 100.000.000 and 200.000.000, taking into account Gero's calculations after studying Goku's fight against Vegeta, measuring his Kaioken increases, the fact of the regrowing tail, etc.
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Yea, I never got the feeling Freeza was talking about an improved Goku.

I think Yardrat Goku could possibly be double Namek Goku though, that wouldn't be insane at all, if anything, that's nerfing considering the crazy gaps we've seen.
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Yeah when I first saw that I assumed the gaps were astronomical. Yardrat being 2x is very plausible especially if you really over-analyse the implications of the Future Cyborgs.

I remember Makuu making a mini-list about that and he had Yardrat at like 500 million.
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Yea me and Maku went really in depth on that. We all tend to nerf for no apparent reason because of guidebooks and scouter numbers. A lot of times it's just not suggested.

Thing is, I like correlation...



M7 = Androids > M6 > Yardrat > or ~ M5 probably works out best. The movies should correlate, and sometimes it has some influence over to the manga, which is not something I agree with, but if its possible to make it all work together why not?

Yea, I'm thinking Goku at least doubling his power seems realistic... At minimum probably too.


Also, a big issue....


The gap between Freeza and Cyborgs should be big also to make Base Trunks ~ Future Cyborgs ... You want to make the increases super large between certain aspects in the Cell Saga to set up everything for the Buu Saga...
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Well if you believe SSjin Trunks > FP Second-Cell then it's very likely that Trunks went SSjin for no reason against the Future Cyborgs, since we already have at least one instance of someone transforming for no reason.

I think Son was probably at 250/260 million myself, but I definitely agree that doubling and even tripling is very realistic.

My BPs tend to get absurdly huge so I try to nerf things whenever I can force myself to.
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Vegeta wins

Mecca frieza is less powerful than his full power form. also was useless against goku in his final form. Goku>Vegeta vegeta> frieza goku> frieza there you have it
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