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How strong was cell and frieza; Freiza cell gt
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Illustrious	Dec 25 2011, 11:07 AM Post #16
Posts: 426 Group: Member Member #5,087 Joined: August 1, 2010	brolyeuphyfusion Dec 16 2011, 04:26 AM p123 Dec 15 2011, 08:21 PM Yea Cell and Freeza being confident seems to put them above Kid Buu. The GT rule is just assume everyone is stronger than Kid Buu and work from there. so gt nappa and gt saibamen is stronger than kid buu? lol, super flawed and if turles, cooler, and broly appeared in gt they would be stronger than kid buu? also super flawed Why not? By that point everyone is stronger than Kid Buu anyway, so it doesn't really matter.



~~p123~~	Dec 25 2011, 10:28 PM Post #17
Posts: 2,148 Group: Banned Member #5,120 Joined: August 9, 2010	Yea everyone is stronger than Kid Buu at this point. He's old news apparently. Shonen manga's man, that's how they work. Probably not Freeza, but maybe Cell, but really, who knows, it's GT, they are all over the place with their logic.



~~CatouttaHell~~	Dec 26 2011, 01:59 AM Post #18
God of Destruction Posts: 483 Group: Suspended Member #5,477 Joined: December 6, 2010 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	They'd both beat down SSjin 3 Goku from the Boo arc with minimum effort IMO. They're implied to be the top two guys in a realm where freaking General Rild exists, and he was stated to be above Pure Boo. Considering Base Goku (Super No. 17 arc) > Base Goku (M2) > SSjin Goku (Beginning of GT) > Base Goku (Beginning of GT) > Pure Boo this really shouldn't be a problem.



LSSJ5 Broly	Dec 26 2011, 03:03 PM Post #19
Posts: 28 Group: Member Member #7,131 Joined: December 26, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla firefox Favourite Manga none	I personally believe that cell would be in a lot stronger than fat boo and almost to or in par with kid buu, but it seems to be really hard to believe for frieza to reach or even surpass kid buu
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SSJ JJ	Dec 31 2011, 07:00 PM Post #20
Posts: 82 Group: Member Member #7,119 Joined: December 24, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z	Well since while Goku is a kid, his power level is much lower than his adult body.. Yet he EASILY beat Cell and Frieza without even going Super Sayian.. So I think they didn't change much.. I think Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and maybe Trunks could have beaten them, with all but Trunks doing it very easily
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SSJ JJ	Dec 31 2011, 07:03 PM Post #21
Posts: 82 Group: Member Member #7,119 Joined: December 24, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z	Nappa was probably as strong as Vegeta, in the Vegeta saga.. He wasn't even a Super Sayian yet.. And btw.. Considering ALL of those who returned except for maybe Rildo and Super 17 were much weaker than the Z fighters, why even bother coming back?
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MysticGotenks	Jan 4 2012, 01:37 AM Post #22
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	SSJ JJ Dec 31 2011, 07:00 PM Well since while Goku is a kid, his power level is much lower than his adult body.. Yet he EASILY beat Cell and Frieza without even going Super Sayian.. So I think they didn't change much.. I think Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and maybe Trunks could have beaten them, with all but Trunks doing it very easily GT perfect files state that Chibi Goku = Adult Goku I see initially Chibi Goku is weaker, but as the series goes on, he eventually equals his Adult power, but that's my opinion, and since the perfect files say this, it's likely to be true. Therefore, his power level is the same. This debate has been made recently in another forum and I now see both Freeza and Cell to be very strong. Much stronger than I initially made them to be in my last post. The fact that they stayed behind to get revenge on Goku, while the other villains, especially (and most importantly) General Rildo, went out to wreak havoc on Earth, could suggest they are > Rildo and therefore > at the VERY least Mr Boo, but could easily be > Gohan-Boo, you can't know for certain. Why would they stay behind? Well 1) they had to have some confidence, if we follow the anime filler then they would have been able to see Goku fight Boo and Rildo etc, and seen how powerful he is, yet they still stayed behind, without attempting to catch him off-guard. This suggests they must have gotten a lot stronger, especially to once again challenge Son Goku. Even if they couldn't see Goku, they would have heard of him from the later villains, e.g Babidi. They must have been the overall strongest in hell, especially considering villains that were actually killed by Goku (Yakon, Black, Rildo) would have wanted more revenge on Goku than Freeza or Cell. If they were the same PL, they would have gone after Trunks and Gohan respectively, they did kill Freeza/Cell after all... I put both at >= Kid Boo (manga) level after much consideration, going by how easily Goku took them out, and although some say SSjin Goku GT>SSJ3 Goku Z, I don't think at this point Chibi Goku = his adult self...yet.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Jan 4 2012, 01:39 AM Post #23
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	His pl is the same, as STATED by goku himself, its just his stamina that suffered. Dont need the perfect files for that answer.



MysticGotenks	Jan 4 2012, 04:22 PM Post #24
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	Well the way I like to see it is he started off being slightly weaker, but he got used to his body and allowed to access full power. I LIKE to see it kinda like Ginyu in Goku's body, started off weak but got slightly stronger as time went by getting used to the body. The reasoning behind it is in the beginning, Goku couldn't use IT as a kid, saying his body couldn't handle it or something similar like that, but when Piccolo gave him some more ki, he managed to do it, even if it looked so difficult to do, he still managed to do it later in the series. That's just the way I like to see it
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BBloodstain	Jan 4 2012, 07:09 PM Post #25
Posts: 31 Group: Member Member #7,154 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Deathnote, Dragon Ball Z/GT What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Black Butler, Deathnote	I'm not sure if this was stated, but Cell would've gotten stronger it's a fact. Seeing as Cell has Goku's Saiyan Genes. His power would've grown when he got killed by gohan. then again in Fusion Reborn (if we are including Movies) So, Cell probably rose his power level maybe to that of Pure Evil Buu (The Grey one) Maybe even Super Buu. But Frieza, I'd doubt his power level would grow that much, I mean he got slaughtered by Trunks SSJ, With pretty much one hit. And with that being said, Trunks SSJ < Goku (Z) < Goku (GT) It's simple logic from here on



MysticGotenks	Jan 4 2012, 11:32 PM Post #26
Posts: 761 Group: Member Member #7,087 Joined: December 17, 2011	BBloodstain Jan 4 2012, 07:09 PM I'm not sure if this was stated, but Cell would've gotten stronger it's a fact. Seeing as Cell has Goku's Saiyan Genes. His power would've grown when he got killed by gohan. then again in Fusion Reborn (if we are including Movies) So, Cell probably rose his power level maybe to that of Pure Evil Buu (The Grey one) Maybe even Super Buu. But Frieza, I'd doubt his power level would grow that much, I mean he got slaughtered by Trunks SSJ, With pretty much one hit. And with that being said, Trunks SSJ < Goku (Z) < Goku (GT) It's simple logic from here on Cell died, he didn't achieve near death, therefore his PL would have been the same as when he died. Saiyajin's only get zenkai's when they experience near death, if they die, they die, period. No power up. Frieza got slaughtered by Trunks, but that wasn't long after Namek, we are talking GT here, we are looking at nearly 25 years since Freeza was killed, no doubt he would have got stronger.
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BBloodstain	Jan 5 2012, 12:59 AM Post #27
Posts: 31 Group: Member Member #7,154 Joined: January 1, 2012 Favourite Anime Deathnote, Dragon Ball Z/GT What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Black Butler, Deathnote	MysticGotenks Jan 4 2012, 11:32 PM BBloodstain Jan 4 2012, 07:09 PM I'm not sure if this was stated, but Cell would've gotten stronger it's a fact. Seeing as Cell has Goku's Saiyan Genes. His power would've grown when he got killed by gohan. then again in Fusion Reborn (if we are including Movies) So, Cell probably rose his power level maybe to that of Pure Evil Buu (The Grey one) Maybe even Super Buu. But Frieza, I'd doubt his power level would grow that much, I mean he got slaughtered by Trunks SSJ, With pretty much one hit. And with that being said, Trunks SSJ < Goku (Z) < Goku (GT) It's simple logic from here on Cell died, he didn't achieve near death, therefore his PL would have been the same as when he died. Saiyajin's only get zenkai's when they experience near death, if they die, they die, period. No power up. Frieza got slaughtered by Trunks, but that wasn't long after Namek, we are talking GT here, we are looking at nearly 25 years since Freeza was killed, no doubt he would have got stronger. Sorry, I assumed the zenkai took effect even if the person died but kept there body. or were wished back to life. I recalled Vegeta saying something about that in the Buu saga, but as you mentioned this is GT, so anything is possible. But Frieza firmly believes he is the strongest in the universe, So can you see someone getting stronger if they have no one to beat? As far as Frieza id concerned Goku only won because Frieza cut his own legs off. as stated in a filler moment. But it is possible that he did get stronger.



~~Destiny~~	Jan 5 2012, 08:02 AM Post #28
Posts: 7,206 Group: GTFO Member #5,331 Joined: October 16, 2010	Same as in DBZ. Nothing changed them as they don't train.



Illustrious	Jan 5 2012, 08:45 AM Post #29
Posts: 426 Group: Member Member #5,087 Joined: August 1, 2010	Sasuke Jan 5 2012, 08:02 AM Same as in DBZ. Nothing changed them as they don't train. When was it stated that they don't train?



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