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| Battle Power | Dec 9 2011, 11:00 PM Post #16 |
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I think it depends on the knowledge the namekusei-jins have on the saiya-jins, if they do know that the tail is their weakness then I don't see Vegeta's crew winning, specially if Nail knows who's the leader and whatnot, just blast Vegeta's tail off while he's transforming or don't even let him create the fake moon to start with. 42.000 to 18.000 and less is one-shot material, heck, he could kill Vegeta, Bardock and Vegeta ( ) with one blast.Otherwise I see the saiya-jins winning, without knowledge I see Nail making a mess but somehow dying at the end. If it's army vs army, namekusei-jins wins if you only bring standard warriors. Don't think they have elites (Nail was their elite I guess) so if you bring out elite saiya-jins the namekians get stomped, and if you bring oozaru they get stomped as well. |
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| Kaioken123 | Dec 10 2011, 02:16 AM Post #17 |
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namekians will win no doubt about it : MOST OF THE SAIYANS HAVE THEIR TAILS CHOPPED OFF AND IF NAPPA GOES APE, all the namekians can slice it off with a ki blast, piccolo and neil are the most powerful namekians, best of all piccolo can absorb neil and be really strong.also they have the dragon balls on their side plus dende can heal their injuries and the grand elder can spike their hidden power so the namekians win by a long shot. |
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| SuperSaiyan1993 | Dec 10 2011, 02:12 PM Post #18 |
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The way I see it, since it would be a war, there's no way the Saiyans can lose. Over the course of battles, they would grow stronger with zenkais. Vegeta can easily reach Nail's level with one or two zenkais and the other saiyans would gain a strong power advantage over the namekians. Plus, everyone seems to vastly underestimate the Oozarus. Their speed does NOT decrease in this form. The only time we've seen an oozaru defeated in dbz was Vegeta and that was only because he didn't know Yajirobe was fighting. If he did know, they would have all died. So, the Saiyans would lose some of the first battles, but there is no doubt that they would win the war. |
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Dec 10 2011, 07:41 PM Post #19 |
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troll or just stupid ? Battle takes place BEFORE saiyans even came to earth,all saiyans have their tails Vegeta throws moon-ki ball in air,they all turn into oozaru and stomp |
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| lunar2 | Dec 10 2011, 11:03 PM Post #20 |
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only one saiyan has been shown to be in control of their oozaru form. vegeta will be the only saiyan with any intelligence to use his power effectively. he's also the only saiyan known to be able to create the moon ball, and that's very draining for him. the simple fact is, the saiyans can't win. the namekians could always just hide until the moon ball wears off, and they'll still be strong enough to take out most of the saiyans without much trouble. burnt out, injured goku managed to ruin vegeta's eye with an uncharged blast. yajirobe cut off vegeta's tail. saiyans have no defense while oozaru. any of the namekian warriors can do serious damage to the big stupid monkeys with even the slightest amount of intelligent combat. oh, and guess what. namekians are smart. the only advantage the saiyans have is raw power, and that is the least important thing in this kind of fight. Edited by lunar2, Dec 10 2011, 11:07 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Dec 10 2011, 11:49 PM Post #21 |
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I thought Vegeta stated that all Elites could control their Oozaru forms, which would include Nappa. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Dec 10 2011, 11:55 PM Post #22 |
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Vegeta says something along the lines of "top-tier saiyans can condense the atmosphere and create an artificial moon that produces enough zenos." It's all during that 'makin mah moon' speech. |
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Dec 11 2011, 12:06 AM Post #23 |
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Yajirobe cut out Vegeta's tail because Vegeta was unaware of Yajirobe Saiyans will destroy the planet and themselves with it more likely than lose,namekians are just waaay too weak to compare with them,I mean saiyans like Vegeta,Bardock,King Vegeta would pose a huge threat by themselves,throw in 100s of giant apes with PLs over 9000,its just an overkill,anybody who is saying nameks can win are really stupid or just trolls |
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| lunar2 | Dec 11 2011, 12:37 AM Post #24 |
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nope. it was never mentioned that any saiyan besides vegeta could control their oozaru form. even if you take sources besides the manga into account, bardock is the only other saiyan that even remembers his time as an oozaru. @darkcore. when dragonball began, goku was unaware of the danger of guns. guns couldn't hurt him. when he was an oozaru, he was aware of every person there, but puar of all people could cut his tail. when vegeta was transformed, goku ruined his eye with an uncharged ki blast. remember that at this point, goku was already so strained that a friendly slap on the back from yajirobe caused him severe pain, and then vegeta hurt him badly. it's a simple fact that being unaware of something does not decrease your natural resilience to damage, and transforming into an oozaru does not increase it. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 11 2011, 01:04 AM Post #25 |
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Disrespecting others like this is against the rules. Please refrain from doing so in the future. And planet busting is against the rules in this section. Edited by Pyrus, Dec 11 2011, 01:04 AM.
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Dec 11 2011, 01:32 AM Post #26 |
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yea,but 100 giant apes and planet doesn't get destroyed ? Well,thats kind of hard to imagine,unreal,but ok Correct me if I'm wrong,I didn't watch that fight for a long time,but Vegeta dodged Krillin's destructo disk even though Krillin was alot stronger than Yajirobe.Why ? Cause he knew Krillin was there. And WHY would namekians know that cutting their tails off will prevent them from ape ? Namekians can't know that. |
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| + Pyrus | Dec 11 2011, 01:39 AM Post #27 |
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I was assuming you meant they'd just bust the planet with an attack. Even so, we just have to assume the planet doesn't break from all the attacks. |
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| lunar2 | Dec 11 2011, 04:08 AM Post #28 |
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but that was dodging an attack. dumb monkeys won't know to dodge, only the few smart ones, and only if they know what a kienzan is. yajirobe's sword cut through vegeta's tail because vegeta's natural defenses weren't any better than in his human form. goku ruined his eye because his eye wasn't tough enough to withstand an attack from someone less than 1/5 as powerful as him (goku stated that kkx5 wouldn't be enough to fight him). oozaru increases strength and power by 10x (maybe even more, for strength), and maybe even speed (although they still become a bigger target), but it does not increase the resilience of the flesh at all, or else weak yajirobe and worn out goku wouldn't have been able to injure vegeta. also, guru showed knowledge of saiyans, up to and including super saiyan, so he should know about oozaru, as well. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Dec 11 2011, 05:38 AM Post #29 |
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I'll co-sign just because this is a pretty good point; Nappa was about to attempt to tank kienzan (with his teeth per DBZ Abridged). If dumb Nappa was about to do that, then I can imagine dumb big apes trying the same. Though let's not ignore the pure destructive force of the Oozaru; add that there are only 100 surviving Namekians and few of them are actual warriors, and the slug peoples have their work cut out for them. @ Elites being able to form zeno-spheres ![]() even then, there isn't anything that hints at others actually controlling Oozaru skillfully. Albeit, in the same bout as in the above pic, Goku was able to convince Oozaru Gohan to target Vegeta, so I would give Saiyans as much as have some control over themselves in Oozaru. Not sure if Viz says something similar [cue Teen GohanZ] |
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| lunar2 | Dec 11 2011, 06:37 AM Post #30 |
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so, "the greatest" saiyans can create the ball. does that simply mean the elite, or the royalty? i would assume royalty, personally. as for controlling oozaru, i'd go so far as to say that the saiyans may well be able to direct their aggression towards appropriate targets on their own. how would oozaru be useful when purging planets otherwise? but that doesn't change the fact that in that form, they are little more than animals, and won't fight nearly as effectively as someone with an intelligent mind. now, to go a little farther on the namekians side. iirc, their were something like 5 warriors, 3 elders, and two children in the village that gohan and krillin watched frieza attack. there are about 100 namekians total. assuming that that village was standard, then fully 1/2 of all namekians are warriors with about 3,000 pl, which would befit their reputation as a race with a high power level. throwing every namekian (first appearance, not including slug) against every saiyan (first appearance, not including broly), i still don't see the namekians losing. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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