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Silly fanfic saiyans
Topic Started: Dec 7 2011, 02:46 PM (1,823 Views)
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so, what are some of the silliest, nonsensical, or just plain wrong assumptions made about saiyans in fanwork? here's a few to get started.

1. Saiyans never get sick. this is funny, because goku is the only person to get sick in the entire series, and he's a saiyan.

2. The whole Mpreg thing. I've even seen this come up in fics that have no gay characters whatsoever.

3. Bonding. Saiyans are primates. there are no primate species that naturally bond with their mate for life. Why do saiyans bond when it makes absolutely no sense, especially for a warrior race that likely has an insane death rate. that kind of culture doesn't lend itself to standard families AT ALL.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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I see nothing wrong with the bonding. Saiyans are not complete mindless savages, their intelligence is on par with humans, if not greater. They are cruel and heartless, but what about Goku, Gohan, Goten and Trunks? And Vegeta grew to like Bulma over time. The topic is never mentioned in DBZ, so you can't immediately say it is wrong.

Anyway, back to the original topic: there are always the fanfics that have Saiyans from the past, and a bunch of them turn Super Saiyan. The only problem is that there was only one SSJ that appeared 10,000 years prior to DBZ (or is it 1000?). The chances of there being even more before or after that and none of them being mentioned or passed on in legends is very slim.
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I think Broly is the silliest fanfic Saiyan :p

You also see Saiyans that don't like to fight but have amazing power(wonder who they based that off) and Saiyans that that go SSJ. That's basically all I got, lol.
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Saiyans that can go Super Saiyan with little effort, bit of training and something that makes them angry (ie they are 'sparring' with a fellow warrior that goads them to get angry)... ... BAMF, Super Saiyan.
Theres a lot more to ascending to this state than anger and training. (Unless of course your a half-breed born from a previous full blooded saiyan that had attained SS before conception).

@Luke_93= Hahaha, liked the Broly comment. True, true.

Oh yeah, i remember reading a fanfic that had evil clones of the Z fighters, like a knock off, Dr Gero sort of villian as the creator. One of the clones is Gogeta, except he is permanent, so no fusion dance time limit.
Gogeta is the main villian. He powers up and goes SS1, Vegeta takes him on and goes SS4... Gogeta SS1 wipes him out in a couple of blows. Later Gogeta evolves into a SS4 while fighting against Goku SS5.
Vegeta returns and goes SS4 and reveals his 'true power'... ... and actually stands a decent chance against Gogeta SS4.... ...

Made little sense and showed a lack of understanding of the powerlevels of the series... Was fun to read though in its own ways, if you could ignore things like: Goku, 'screaming at the top of his lungs'... ''Im going to lay the SMack down on your candy-ass!!!!'.
Yeah....

The sense of the Saiyans, as a people and a race that is often missing or portayed oddly. For me a teenage saiyan is going to be different in nature/nurture to a teenage human.
Different races, different standards of living, different morales.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8040430/1/
Link to my DBZ fan-fic tale: Saiyans, Frieza, the Ginyu Force and other alien races and beings all chucked into the soup-pot for all out action and glory!

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8129945/1/#new
Link to a DBZ inspired story/ battle scenario that i did when i was 16

http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8071554/1/#new
Link to the Marvel/DC tale of the super-powered hereos and villians of both verses. Biggest heavy-hitters square off in an almight-free-for-all brawl!
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I hate the "long lost Saiyan comes back to Earth to find the last of the Saiyans!" trope. Especially if it's a female Saiyan who hooks up with one of the main cast. In my own personal head!canon, there were Saiyans off-world when Freiza blew up planet Vegeta. But not nearly enough to create a sustainable population even if they all found each other. And these missing Saiyans, once they would hear of what happened, would probably realize there is nothing they can do to save their race and just live out their lives in obscurity wherever they are in the universe. Because (1) Saiyans are probably a hated people after all of the planet conquering and slaughtering they did, and revealing themselves could only put a target on their backs, and (2) why bother trying to "save their race" or even track down other Saiyans except to put their own lives at risk while trying to find these other Saiyans? Saiyans are a proud people but they're not stupid and they're not suicidal.

And no long lost Saiyans should be Super Saiyan like it's nothing. The way Vegeta initially talks about it indicates that Super Saiyan is damn near impossible to obtain and has a mythic quality to it. If it were that easy that ANY Saiyan could do it then there wouldn't be so much reverence about it, and Vegeta wouldn't care quite as much about becoming one (or be so devastated that third class Kakarotto beat him to it).

Now, having said all of this, adding Saiyans into the story is not a bad thing. I've done it, and am currently working on a fic where half a dozen more Saiyans are taken into Freiza's custody with Vegeta, Nappa, and Raditz. However most of them are killed before we catch up to where the Saiyans first appear in the Dragonball universe, because they're not invincible. So Saiyan OCs are not automatically a bad thing.

One last thing that irks me: when a female Saiyan shows up and feels obligated to make babies to continue the Saiyan race. Come on now, any Saiyan should realize there is not any point to having Saiyan children as there are not enough full-blooded Saiyans to create a new and sustainable population. So knock off this "sense of duty to reproduce" crap.

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Edited by Silvia, Jan 22 2012, 02:09 PM.
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@bonding. i don't mean settling down with a mate. i'm referring to the habits of certain animals, that find a mate for life as a matter of instinct. saiyans, being primates, wouldn't have that instinct. they may very well choose a long term mate (goku, vegeta, and gohan certainly did), but they won't have an instinct to do so.

@lost saiyans. yeah, there are probably a few dozen lost saiyans out there. when you blow up a planet, you tend to lose data like that.

as for rebuilding the race, they should come to earth, build up some harems from earthlings, and get to work. even nappa had that idea as soon as he heard that earthlings and saiyans were capable of interbreeding.

@ lost saiyan ssj. actually, training and stress are all there is to it. saiyans, by their lifestyle, probably never did any extensive training, because they were too busy fighting. that's why their powers were so predictable, even from birth. so, the rare saiyan that lives long enough to get to around 45-50,000 pl, and then gets really mad, will transform.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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I had 1 dude tell me that Broly's power grows and grows, without him training LOL
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Saiyans that can turn Super Saiyan 6+
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Feb 13 2012, 10:21 AM
Saiyans that can turn Super Saiyan 6+
depends on how much stock you put into GT. without GT, anything beyond ssj3 is out of the question. with GT, up to at least ssj5 is plausible, since ssj5 was mentioned in the series, and it's entirely possible that gogeta was actually ssj5, because of his weird coloration.

ssj6+, while not mentioned in the series, is certainly plausible after the mountain of various transformations that had been revealed up to that point.

new category: misconceptions of saiyans based on anime filler.

1. Saiyans have supernaturally large appetites. actually, only goku was shown to have a large appetite in the manga iirc, and only while he was a child. it was simply a comedic element of his character that was done away with once the series took a (more) serious turn with king piccolo.

2. Saiyans have extraordinary senses. again, this was only shown by goku, and is more likely due to his wilderness background, than his alien heritage.

3. saiyans have long lifespans. actually, it was stated in one of the guidebooks that saiyans don't live much longer than humans, but that they age differently. their bodies maintain near peak condition until 10-15 years before their death, and then they enter a rapid decline.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Feb 13 2012, 05:28 PM
brolyeuphyfusion
Feb 13 2012, 10:21 AM
Saiyans that can turn Super Saiyan 6+
depends on how much stock you put into GT. without GT, anything beyond ssj3 is out of the question. with GT, up to at least ssj5 is plausible, since ssj5 was mentioned in the series, and it's entirely possible that gogeta was actually ssj5, because of his weird coloration.

ssj6+, while not mentioned in the series, is certainly plausible after the mountain of various transformations that had been revealed up to that point.

new category: misconceptions of saiyans based on anime filler.

1. Saiyans have supernaturally large appetites. actually, only goku was shown to have a large appetite in the manga iirc, and only while he was a child. it was simply a comedic element of his character that was done away with once the series took a (more) serious turn with king piccolo.

2. Saiyans have extraordinary senses. again, this was only shown by goku, and is more likely due to his wilderness background, than his alien heritage.

3. saiyans have long lifespans. actually, it was stated in one of the guidebooks that saiyans don't live much longer than humans, but that they age differently. their bodies maintain near peak condition until 10-15 years before their death, and then they enter a rapid decline.
Gohan, Goku and Vegeta showed lot of appetites in the World Tourneament arc. Not filler.
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can you give a page number for that? i swear i don't remember them eating at the budokai in the manga.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Krillin even notes about how "Saiyans" in general can eat a lot.

http://www.mangareader.net/105-3087-7/dragon-ball/chapter-438.html
Here's the fanslation version.
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thanks for that TGZ. that reference actually kind of proves my point, though. even with three saiyans there (and krillin looked like he was eating, too), they didn't eat nearly as much as in the anime. there were no dishes piled on the floor, no lines of waiters bringing rice bowls, none of the exaggerated eating that was in every single scene of saiyans eating in the anime. saiyans may have large appetites, but certainly not the supernatural appetites of their anime and fanfic versions.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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