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kid buu vs mystic gohan; who would win
Topic Started: Dec 4 2011, 03:15 PM (5,259 Views)
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Really? They got their butts kicked and they know now what it takes to beat Buu?

Yes. There's nothing to prove them wrong.

Chapter: 510 (DBZ 316), P13.1-6
Vegeta: “Don’t hesitate for my sake, and finish him off! With that Super Saiyan 3, you should be able to completely wipe out Boo with your ki once you gather it with all your might…!”
Goku: “Ye…yeah…I’ve been thinking of doing that as well since awhile back, but…I haven’t gotten the chance.”
Vegeta: “Eh?”
Goku: “If I want to wipe him out, I gotta gather ki for about one minute.”
Vegeta: “One minute?!”
Goku: “Dammnit~~~If it was with the Potara, I could have done it in one blast. …..Cheh~~~I guess I went and showed off too much. But I thought things would go a little better than this…!”
Vegeta: “…S …So you weren’t thinking of me…”
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And again Buu came back from smoke, he didn't regenerated, does Buu even have cells? lol.

The narrator says he does.

Chapter: 517 (DBZ 323), P1.1
Narrator: “Majin Boo has finally been wiped out…He has literally been completely wiped out, without even a single cell remaining…”

And Vegetto knew how to completely eradicate Boo without using the Genki-dama, so I'd say the two people who made him would also know.
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Vegeta didn't know how strong Gotenks and Gohan were but knew about Goku's SSJ3 and claims he saw it all?

Does it mean he knew how powerful everybody was? Another transformation would obviously lead to more power, so Vegeta saying Goku hid his true strength doesn't necessarily mean he knew how powerful Goku actually was. During the Pure Boo fight, he's amazed at Goku's strength, even though Goku can't suppress his power in SSjin 3.
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Goku considered it after they were alive, I'm talking about they never consider Baba bringing Gohan back like she did with Vegeta or Goku.

They'd been absorbed before. He didn't want it happening again.
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I understand they say this but nothing says Goku was right. He had been wrong before, so how can we say he could have killed Buu in one attack knowing Goku has made assumptions before? Goku admits this, saying he underestimated Buu, so what makes you think Goku wasn't just assuming when he said that? Well Vegetto is in a different world lol I never really doubted his power, I'm just saying I don't believe Gohan could have wiped out Kid Buu in one shot. Goku and Gohan were closer than Gohan was to Vegetto in power, if you get what I'm saying. Vegeta claims to have seen everything, including the fusion dance so why would he miss the beating Gotenks gave to Super Buu? And the beating Gohan gave him after that? Nope, you see that was never stated so we don't know why Gohan wasn't even mention during the fight with Kid Buu, Gohan and Gotenks were only mentioned after they came back to life. We can't assume what Vegeta was thinking and treat it as fact when it was even stated that Vegeta was worried they would get absorbed again.
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Badabing!

I still don't see why this is on-going.

Goku states that him and Vegeta were simply no match for Super Buu's power then later states that he could wipe out Kid Buu.

Why do people still ignore this?
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Because Goku then admits he underestimated Kid Buu, and knowing from past experiences, he has been wrong couple times before. But anyway, I believe the reason why Baba was not mention to bring back Gohan or Gotenks was because Akira had decided for Goku to be the hero again...simple as that.
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Dec 16 2011, 04:20 AM
Because Goku then admits he underestimated Kid Buu, and knowing from past experiences, he has been wrong couple times before. But anyway, I believe the reason why Baba was not mention to bring back Gohan or Gotenks was because Akira had decided for Goku to be the hero again...simple as that.
When has Goku been wrong about that kind of stuff before? As far as I recall, it was just Boo in general that he admitted he underestimated (maybe Cell too, but I can't remember). Goku admitting he underestimated Pure Boo is just more evidence that he's stronger than him. Why would he admit something like that and then turn around and do it again? He had to be sure about it.
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He underestimated Vegeta and Frieza big time. I don't think he underestimated Cell at all, he knew he wasn't going to win. Plus, didn't Goku told Vegeta he had been trying to kill Kid Buu in one shot but failed? We even see in the manga, Goku starts with a Kamehameha. Kid Buu was different from the other Buus, his regeneration was way greater than the others because he didn't have the Kais or Gohan and the others. Absorbing them made Buu more mortal, it's only logical.
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Anime wise: Kid Buu.
Manga wise: Ultimate Gohan.
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Badabing!

But Goku never directly says he underestimated Kid Buu i'm pretty sure. He basically just complained about SSjin3 and said he would have been toast if they used the Potara.

Also all Buus had unlimited stamina. It wasn't just a trait unique to Kid Buu. I'm pretty sure the only source which suggests that it's a trait unique to Kid Buu was the character biography in DB Raging Blast. In the manga Vegetto hints that he would need to wipe out Gohan-Buu in a single blast, Super Buu's stamina didn't fall despite Gotenks rapid fire die die missiles and Vegeta states that the only way Buu's stamina falls is if they fight another Buu when Kid Buu was fighting Mr Buu.

Goku wasn't wrong at all. He could probably gauge how much power was required to wipe out Buu via Vegetto vs Gohan-Buu and just by fighting him. He even knew while gathering his Ki how much was enough and how much wasn't.
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@Vegeta_Rules: I don't see a difference actually. Gohan was way stronger than Kid Buu, I just don't see Gohan killing Kid buu with one blast. I truly believe only the genki dama could have destroyed Kid Buu.

@Cocoman: True, but he does say, "The Potara could have done it, I guess I over did it back there, I thought I could do better." To me this was in other words, I underestimated the little bastard lol. And I never really denied all Buus had unlimited stamina, I know they do. What I'm saying is his regeneration, Kid Buu's regeneration process was much better than the rest because he was pure. Absorbing Gohan and the others made him more mortal, and we see this when Vegetto says, "I see you have a bloody nose, you were better off when you didn't have one". I know it's the Viz version but the online says something similar. Buu had Piccolo, two little boys, and Gohan in him, it's no wonder Vegetto knew he could have wiped him out for good. Plus this was the first time Goku faced the pure Buu, how would he know the fundamentals of this Buu when he never faced this one before? I mean it makes sense, why else would Vegeta choose the genki dama instead of bringing Gohan and Gotenks? If they thought Goku could have generated enough power to end Buu for good, surly they would have thought Gohan could have done it. Maybe Vegeta realized they needed a power bigger than what Goku could have produced. We're talking about a ball that had the energy of billions of people, nearly all of Namek, and even otherworld helped. I seriously doubt even Vegetto could have produced a power that big.
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Gohan shoots small Ki blast that completely eradicates buus entire existence.Hell,the wind Gohan moves just by moving his arms would melt Buu IMO,that's how much powerful Gohan is.

This is like comparing a Domestic cat to a full grown Siberian Tiger for christs sakes.


Gohan at the very least is 160x stronger than SSJ3 Goku,using Gotenks as a measuring stick that is.
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Lol did you read the above posts?
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This isn't debatable. Unless you're talking about the Anime, Pure Boo gets wiped out with an uncharged Ki blast.

Ultimate Gohan > SSjin 3 Gotenks > SSjin 2 Gotenks > SSjin Gotenks (Post) > Base Gotenks (Post) > SSjin Gotenks (Expected) > SSjin Gotenks (Pre) > SSjin 3 Goku >= Pure Boo

At minimum Gohan is like 100x stronger than Pure Boo, though the gap could be as large as 5,000x. Even Base Gotenks would take Pure Boo out with as much ease as Raditz did the Farmer.
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Dec 16 2011, 08:33 PM
Lol did you read the above posts?
KP and the others have explained their half well enough,only blinded idiots refuse to give in.This isn't even a debate,Ultimate Gohan is really that much stronger than SSJ3 Goku/Kid buu.
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There is no doubt that Gohan is that much stronger, the debate is, can he fully gather enough ki to destroy Kid Buu? As I mention in the above posts, I doubt he can do it and the only who has a chance is Vegetto. Buuhan, what ever you would call him, yes he was way stronger than Gohan and Kid Buu, etc. But he became more mortal and thus, easier to destroy since his regeneration process wouldn't be as great as Kid Buu. Goku admits he had been trying to end Kid Buu's life in one blow but couldn't so tried to gather more ki without interruption. He then couldn't, and Vegeta then decides the genki dama was their only hope. He used two wishes and didn't care about the last one; he could have restored Goku's energy right away if he thought Goku could have killed him in one shot now but he didn't. He could have brought Gohan or Gotenks if he also thought they could have done it in one blow, but he didn't. Vegeta knew that the genki dama's great weakness was time, Goku gathering energy or Gohan gathering energy for one blow was faster so if you guys believe Gohan and Goku could have produced an energy similar to what the genki dama had, why did Vegeta pick an attack that took longer if he believed Goku could have done it?
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Kid Buu's ability to reform becomes moot once he's that far below somebody.
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