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kid buu vs mystic gohan; who would win
Topic Started: Dec 4 2011, 03:15 PM (5,260 Views)
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Gohan's attacks would've been stronger and much larger.
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Dec 7 2011, 03:50 PM
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I would like to point out a couple of quotes cementing Evil Buu>Goku & Gotenks>Goku;

Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him.
Piccolo: "N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own"
Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!”

SSjin3 Gotenks is suggested to be levels above SSjin3 Goku and not just slightly stronger("strong like you")



Context: after Gotenks is absorbed by Evil Buu.
Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”

Evil Buu remembered SSjin3 Goku and even hinted that he knew that SSjin3 Goku>Fat Buu;

Context: after Goku Kienzans Gotenks-Buu
Boo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”

Gotenks-Buu>>SSjin3 Gotenks>Evil Buu>>>SSjin3 Goku.


Also Pure Buu wasn't toying with SSjin3 Goku. He was having fun. If SSjin3 Goku was that far below Pure Buu, he wouldn't have been having fun. Fat Buu was enjoying himself against SSjin3 Goku because he was a challenge and it was the same with Pure Buu and SSjin3 Goku.

Anyway, Pure Buu wasn't sensed by Gohan between the Kaioshin realm and Earth so;

Gohan>SSjin3 Gotenks>Evil[Super] Buu>>>SSjin3 Goku>Pure Buu. SIMPLE!

In short, Gohan one shots Buu with a generic Ki blast.

@Ajith, hush SON Goku fanboy xD
Well, I can only say " too much of character overpowering".

Piccolo's staments can never be taken seriously in Buu Saga. He said that base Gotenks were much more poweful than before, but got their asses handed. He even mistaken Gohan for Goku where Gohan shows up after Gotenks defused.

"Such a powerful chi!!!"
"Can this be some new enemy?!"
"Its......Goku!!!!"
Then Goten said that it was his brother..bla..bla..bla..

SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Buu and u relate to Piccolo's comments on how buu has not fought someone as strong as Gotenks. What a joke. Super Buu hardly tried againts even SSJ3 Gotenks, and I believe a simple, cheap self-destruct mechanism he used against Mystic Gohan would make Gotenks history.

After Goku's resurrection and he Kienzans Buutenks, he somewhat puts up an average fight, but the point is that after Buutenks defused to Buucolo, Goku was standing right in front of him, about 10 inches right infront Super Buu like he was nothin to him. U can say that Goku was confident that Gohan would take care of Buu, but the thing was that Gohan was busy looking for the Potara earing, and it was just Goku and Buu in the mid air. Now, it was explicitly shown in both manga and anime that he even reverted from SSj3 to base. What Man!! U really think SSj3 Goku would do that if he was an ant compared to Buu or he knew how low his power level was that he would be stomped by Buu that is right in front of him?

Its not that Pure Buu was childish, but there's something evidently shown that he hardly exerted his max power in any instances. Im not sure, but in the episode of Call for Action, Fat Buu vs Kid Buu which took place as Goku & Vegeta pleaded to Earthlings to give their energies to form the Genki Dama. To an extent, it was sucessful as Goku's Family and Friends gave him their powers. Just then, Kid Buu blasted Fat Buu with an awesome ki attack (pinkish colour) which striked fear upon Goku & Vegeta, where even the size of the Genki Dama wasn't that big compared to Kid Buu's. Please note here though, that He was laughing like a maniac at that point. See, its not that childishness.

Again, ur Mystic Gohan's overpowering. As u said, Gohan one shots Buu with a generic Ki blast. The same generic ki blast Kid Buu blasts towards the planet, and he'll be history. Buu's survives for obvious reasons. now what? Kid Buu could literally blast planets, and given Gohan's lack of abilities as Kid Buu does as Shunkan Idou or Kai Kai, he'll die regadless where he escapes around the entire planet. then again, Gohan is a no one to mess with, and given his Myctic form, without the energy drain, and finite stamina, which SSJ3 Goku has, the fight will turn out as a draw.


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You're using the anime as evidence in a manga debate. That's your problem here.
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Dec 8 2011, 04:41 AM
You're using the anime as evidence in a manga debate. That's your problem here.
Nope. Was Kid Buu vs Mystic Gohan ever took place in the manga or in the anime. Its speculations which can be iether true of false. Its all about the evidence which supports the statements...

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Kamikaze Pyro
Dec 8 2011, 04:41 AM
You're using the anime as evidence in a manga debate. That's your problem here.
Nope. Was Kid Buu vs Mystic Gohan ever took place in the manga or in the anime. Its speculations which can be iether true of false. Its all about the evidence which supports the statements...

You've got no evidence that supports Pure Boo being any trouble whatsoever for Gohan. There's nothing. He's weaker than Goku who's hundreds of miles weaker than Gohan by the virtue of Gotenks.
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Piccolo's staments can never be taken seriously in Buu Saga. He said that base Gotenks were much more poweful than before, but got their asses handed.

That's because Evil Boo was holding back the entire fight until Gotenks used SSjin 3. It doesn't negate Gotenks' power growth. Nothing does.
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He even mistaken Gohan for Goku where Gohan shows up after Gotenks defused.

So? Gohan's chi was completely rearranged.
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SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Buu and u relate to Piccolo's comments on how buu has not fought someone as strong as Gotenks. What a joke. Super Buu hardly tried againts even SSJ3 Gotenks, and I believe a simple, cheap self-destruct mechanism he used against Mystic Gohan would make Gotenks history.

He hardly tried, yet he almost let himself get killed and couldn't mount any defense against Gotenks when the fusion actually got serious?
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After Goku's resurrection and he Kienzans Buutenks, he somewhat puts up an average fight,

No, he doesn't. That was filler. And even in the filler, he doesn't land a single blow and Boo was toying with him.
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but the point is that after Buutenks defused to Buucolo, Goku was standing right in front of him, about 10 inches right infront Super Buu like he was nothin to him.

10 inches? Bull*****. More like 10 feet.
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U can say that Goku was confident that Gohan would take care of Buu, but the thing was that Gohan was busy looking for the Potara earing, and it was just Goku and Buu in the mid air. Now, it was explicitly shown in both manga and anime that he even reverted from SSj3 to base. What Man!! U really think SSj3 Goku would do that if he was an ant compared to Buu or he knew how low his power level was that he would be stomped by Buu that is right in front of him?

Gohan had the earring by the time Boo reverted and was looking up at Goku. He could've gotten there in no time if he needed to be.
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Its not that Pure Buu was childish, but there's something evidently shown that he hardly exerted his max power in any instances.

Please post scans of this. I don't see it.
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Im not sure, but in the episode of Call for Action, Fat Buu vs Kid Buu which took place as Goku & Vegeta pleaded to Earthlings to give their energies to form the Genki Dama. To an extent, it was sucessful as Goku's Family and Friends gave him their powers. Just then, Kid Buu blasted Fat Buu with an awesome ki attack (pinkish colour) which striked fear upon Goku & Vegeta, where even the size of the Genki Dama wasn't that big compared to Kid Buu's. Please note here though, that He was laughing like a maniac at that point. See, its not that childishness.

Maybe you're thinking of more filler, because he never does this in the manga.
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Again, ur Mystic Gohan's overpowering. As u said, Gohan one shots Buu with a generic Ki blast. The same generic ki blast Kid Buu blasts towards the planet, and he'll be history. Buu's survives for obvious reasons. now what? Kid Buu could literally blast planets, and given Gohan's lack of abilities as Kid Buu does as Shunkan Idou or Kai Kai, he'll die regadless where he escapes around the entire planet. then again, Gohan is a no one to mess with, and given his Myctic form, without the energy drain, and finite stamina, which SSJ3 Goku has, the fight will turn out as a draw.

No, it won't. In versus battles, planet busting and absorbing is prohibited, so the only thing Boo has on Gohan is Shunkan-ido. Vegeta wasn't fooled by it when he fought Goku, so why would Gohan, who trained with him for an entire year in the RoSaT plus the 3 years for the androids, and witnessed the technique firsthand against Cell? Gohan would not have any problems with Boo.
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Gohan's attacks would've been stronger and much larger.
Goku was enough to kill Fat Buu, so I think Gohan is powerful enough to 1-shot Kid Buu,
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Dec 8 2011, 04:41 AM
You're using the anime as evidence in a manga debate. That's your problem here.
Nope. Was Kid Buu vs Mystic Gohan ever took place in the manga or in the anime. Its speculations which can be iether true of false. Its all about the evidence which supports the statements...

You've got no evidence that supports Pure Boo being any trouble whatsoever for Gohan. There's nothing. He's weaker than Goku who's hundreds of miles weaker than Gohan by the virtue of Gotenks.
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Piccolo's staments can never be taken seriously in Buu Saga. He said that base Gotenks were much more poweful than before, but got their asses handed.

That's because Evil Boo was holding back the entire fight until Gotenks used SSjin 3. It doesn't negate Gotenks' power growth. Nothing does.
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He even mistaken Gohan for Goku where Gohan shows up after Gotenks defused.

So? Gohan's chi was completely rearranged.
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SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Buu and u relate to Piccolo's comments on how buu has not fought someone as strong as Gotenks. What a joke. Super Buu hardly tried againts even SSJ3 Gotenks, and I believe a simple, cheap self-destruct mechanism he used against Mystic Gohan would make Gotenks history.

He hardly tried, yet he almost let himself get killed and couldn't mount any defense against Gotenks when the fusion actually got serious?
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After Goku's resurrection and he Kienzans Buutenks, he somewhat puts up an average fight,

No, he doesn't. That was filler. And even in the filler, he doesn't land a single blow and Boo was toying with him.
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but the point is that after Buutenks defused to Buucolo, Goku was standing right in front of him, about 10 inches right infront Super Buu like he was nothin to him.

10 inches? Bull*****. More like 10 feet.
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U can say that Goku was confident that Gohan would take care of Buu, but the thing was that Gohan was busy looking for the Potara earing, and it was just Goku and Buu in the mid air. Now, it was explicitly shown in both manga and anime that he even reverted from SSj3 to base. What Man!! U really think SSj3 Goku would do that if he was an ant compared to Buu or he knew how low his power level was that he would be stomped by Buu that is right in front of him?

Gohan had the earring by the time Boo reverted and was looking up at Goku. He could've gotten there in no time if he needed to be.
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Its not that Pure Buu was childish, but there's something evidently shown that he hardly exerted his max power in any instances.

Please post scans of this. I don't see it.
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Im not sure, but in the episode of Call for Action, Fat Buu vs Kid Buu which took place as Goku & Vegeta pleaded to Earthlings to give their energies to form the Genki Dama. To an extent, it was sucessful as Goku's Family and Friends gave him their powers. Just then, Kid Buu blasted Fat Buu with an awesome ki attack (pinkish colour) which striked fear upon Goku & Vegeta, where even the size of the Genki Dama wasn't that big compared to Kid Buu's. Please note here though, that He was laughing like a maniac at that point. See, its not that childishness.

Maybe you're thinking of more filler, because he never does this in the manga.
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Again, ur Mystic Gohan's overpowering. As u said, Gohan one shots Buu with a generic Ki blast. The same generic ki blast Kid Buu blasts towards the planet, and he'll be history. Buu's survives for obvious reasons. now what? Kid Buu could literally blast planets, and given Gohan's lack of abilities as Kid Buu does as Shunkan Idou or Kai Kai, he'll die regadless where he escapes around the entire planet. then again, Gohan is a no one to mess with, and given his Myctic form, without the energy drain, and finite stamina, which SSJ3 Goku has, the fight will turn out as a draw.

No, it won't. In versus battles, planet busting and absorbing is prohibited, so the only thing Boo has on Gohan is Shunkan-ido. Vegeta wasn't fooled by it when he fought Goku, so why would Gohan, who trained with him for an entire year in the RoSaT plus the 3 years for the androids, and witnessed the technique firsthand against Cell? Gohan would not have any problems with Boo.
Look, its useless to say a fact, which in this case is the manga to someone who has already make up their mind.

You've got no evidence whatsoever as well for Gohan actually being a match for Kid Buu. Wake up, if ur a manga fan, u should know more than anyone given ur status of Toriyama's classic style. The chubby and impy one's like chibi Goku and gohan and villains like frieza and buu in their final forms as the strongest. Im not sayin Kid Buu as strongest, but c'mon, ur an anime fan, u'll get a heck of inconsistencies..

Base Gotenks was helpless against Fat Buu, while at least SSJ3 Goku was holding his own.. SSJ2 vegeta had also put up sorta good fight. Those kids were brimming with overconfidence most of the time, and Super Buu toyed with them all the time...Not arguements on that.

Now, u clearly try to defend Gohan here dude. My meaning of SSJ3 Goku puttin up an average fight was that he wasn't pounded like hell as Gohan. I knw its filler, but its trash to justify 10 inches to 10 feet. Its evident, ur more like pushin Goku into the category of "cowards".

Did Goku ever willingly fought wif Vegeta. Its random in the anime, but he never bothered to take the fight seriously. What are ya talkin of Sunkan Idou etc..Then, u might say that Goku DID fought seriously. If he did, a single Full Power Kamehameha he used against Cell would be sufficeint given his even powered-up SSJ2 combat state. Vegeta's no different. His fighting style against Goku and late against Fat Buu was clearly two different style, with the latter being beaten up in a much more brutal way.

Overall, Kid Buu vs Mystic Gohan will be a draw IMO. Regardless what u might think, Kid Buu might not be the absolute strongest, but the wild-ruthlessness, plus the infinite stamina and regenerative abilities makes him as more than a match for Gohan...
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Gohan pulls out delicious, fruity bubble yum and chew it casually. he grows bored of out-lived gum and then discards it into a napkin. Goku sees it and, in complete dismay, he responses, "Oh, wow! Gohan!"

Gohan's brow raises in question, "Dad?"

"That's it... my son;" Goku's face brims with pride and elation; "I'm very proud of you. You defeated Majin Buu."

"Huh," Gohan derps. He unfolds his recently used paper and sees the overly mangled remains of a pinkish kid-like figure.

"Oh wow..." Gohan acknowledged, albeit a bit puzzled, "I guess... I did...?"

Kid Buu sucks ducks. Gohan is way schway.
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Look, its useless to say a fact, which in this case is the manga to someone who has already make up their mind.

You've got no evidence whatsoever as well for Gohan actually being a match for Kid Buu. Wake up, if ur a manga fan, u should know more than anyone given ur status of Toriyama's classic style. The chubby and impy one's like chibi Goku and gohan and villains like frieza and buu in their final forms as the strongest. Im not sayin Kid Buu as strongest, but c'mon, ur an anime fan, u'll get a heck of inconsistencies..

You'll get inconsistencies when you follow the anime.
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Base Gotenks was helpless against Fat Buu, while at least SSJ3 Goku was holding his own..

That was before Gotenks used the RoSaT, which put his Base higher than his pre-RoSaT SSjin power. Now you're just conveniently forgetting things.
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SSJ2 vegeta had also put up sorta good fight.

Not after Majin Boo powered up. He ended Vegeta's hopes of victory with one strike.
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Now, u clearly try to defend Gohan here dude. My meaning of SSJ3 Goku puttin up an average fight was that he wasn't pounded like hell as Gohan. I knw its filler, but its trash to justify 10 inches to 10 feet. Its evident, ur more like pushin Goku into the category of "cowards".

He wouldn't fight Evil Boo even with Vegeta's help. Why do you think he would fight an even smarter Boo with nobody's help?
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Did Goku ever willingly fought wif Vegeta. Its random in the anime, but he never bothered to take the fight seriously. What are ya talkin of Sunkan Idou etc..Then, u might say that Goku DID fought seriously. If he did, a single Full Power Kamehameha he used against Cell would be sufficeint given his even powered-up SSJ2 combat state. Vegeta's no different. His fighting style against Goku and late against Fat Buu was clearly two different style, with the latter being beaten up in a much more brutal way.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.
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Overall, Kid Buu vs Mystic Gohan will be a draw IMO. Regardless what u might think, Kid Buu might not be the absolute strongest, but the wild-ruthlessness, plus the infinite stamina and regenerative abilities makes him as more than a match for Gohan...

So when Goku thought he could wipe Pure Boo out with a full-powered Kamehameha, he was just talking out of his *****? Dude, it doesn't take a Genki-dama to wipe Boo out. All it takes is enough power, and Gohan definitely has more than enough, considering he's laughably above Goku who could've beaten Boo had he had the chance.
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Gohan is stronger,but Kid Buu outlasts him easily
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Goku didn't know the fundamentals of Kid Buu, he would assume he could wipe Buu out with just a full power kamehameha, but he never tried, we don't know if it would have worked. May I remind you, Gotenks also destroyed ever single cell Buu had while inside the ROSAT, yet even with smoke Buu came back. Seems like the only thing that could have stopped Buu was ths genki dama otherwise Vegeta would have agreed with Goku and brought Gotenks and Gohan. And speaking about that, did you know some people believe Kid Buu and Goku was stronger than Gohan because they didn't even consider Gohan during the Kid Buu fight? Like, they didn't even consider Baba to bring Gohan or something...
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Didn't Vegito prove that you could vaporize Buu so he wouldn't come back? I remember him destroying part of his antennae and saying "that's what i'll do to you." Seems like a powerful enough attack would do it.
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Goku didn't know the fundamentals of Kid Buu, he would assume he could wipe Buu out with just a full power kamehameha, but he never tried, we don't know if it would have worked.

Then you're just going against an uncontradicted statement for no real reason. Vegeta and Goku both fought Boo well enough to know what it took to beat him.
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May I remind you, Gotenks also destroyed ever single cell Buu had while inside the ROSAT, yet even with smoke Buu came back.

If Boo came back, then Gotenks didn't destroy every single cell.
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Seems like the only thing that could have stopped Buu was ths genki dama otherwise Vegeta would have agreed with Goku and brought Gotenks and Gohan.

He had no idea how powerful Gohan and Gotenks were, and he didn't want them getting absorbed again.
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And speaking about that, did you know some people believe Kid Buu and Goku was stronger than Gohan because they didn't even consider Gohan during the Kid Buu fight? Like, they didn't even consider Baba to bring Gohan or something...

Goku did, but Vegeta declined.
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Goku didn't know the fundamentals of Kid Buu, he would assume he could wipe Buu out with just a full power kamehameha, but he never tried, we don't know if it would have worked.

Then you're just going against an uncontradicted statement for no real reason. Vegeta and Goku both fought Boo well enough to know what it took to beat him.
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May I remind you, Gotenks also destroyed ever single cell Buu had while inside the ROSAT, yet even with smoke Buu came back.

If Boo came back, then Gotenks didn't destroy every single cell.
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Seems like the only thing that could have stopped Buu was ths genki dama otherwise Vegeta would have agreed with Goku and brought Gotenks and Gohan.

He had no idea how powerful Gohan and Gotenks were, and he didn't want them getting absorbed again.
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And speaking about that, did you know some people believe Kid Buu and Goku was stronger than Gohan because they didn't even consider Gohan during the Kid Buu fight? Like, they didn't even consider Baba to bring Gohan or something...

Goku did, but Vegeta declined.
Really? They got their butts kicked and they know now what it takes to beat Buu? And again Buu came back from smoke, he didn't regenerated, does Buu even have cells? lol. Vegeta didn't know how strong Gotenks and Gohan were but knew about Goku's SSJ3 and claims he saw it all? Goku considered it after they were alive, I'm talking about they never consider Baba bringing Gohan back like she did with Vegeta or Goku.
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