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Bio Broly vs Initial Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 30 2011, 12:43 PM (1,901 Views)
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That is bad quality, lol. We are looking at the same image, but in my book it doesn't look that choppy. In my manga, his mouth is curved down, not up. So I don't know if somebody messed with that or not. But I don't have a scanner to show you what my book shows exactly. It is certainly more refined though. Unless someone can help us out then we aren't getting any farther in this discussion.
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That's as best as I could get it without blurring it. It's too far to tell with certainty what expression he's got on his face, BUT...

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That's the very next panel, and we clearly see his face there. Unless Goten suddenly started delivering more power with his punches than his kicks, that would be Gohan's expression in the obscured panel we're referring to.
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Dec 4 2011, 01:39 AM
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That's as best as I could get it without blurring it. It's too far to tell with certainty what expression he's got on his face, BUT...

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That's the very next panel, and we clearly see his face there. Unless Goten suddenly started delivering more power with his punches than his kicks, that would be Gohan's expression in the obscured panel we're referring to.
It could be that Goten got a "lucky shot" in. Just like Trunks did to Vegeta, of course that's a guess and I don't have a problem with placing Goten strong enough to make Gohan show signs of effort however the panel where he's smiling while blocking multiple hits at once kind of lowers away the chances imo. The first shot can easily be explained as Gohan not expecting it (Goten never gave any warning) and the 2nd one Goten getting a lucky shot (Like Trunks) while I can't find an explanation for Gohan smiling for the other panel if he really was trying his hardest. There are some other things that I think places Goten weaker than some say, still very strong but not quite Gohan's stength.
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Gohan's in the same defensive position (arms are a giveaway), and I don't think Goten switching to punching from kicking would catch him that off-guard, even if he is rusty. I think the second picture is a closer shot of the first one really.
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I was always in the opinion that gohan was smiling while sparring because he was proud of goten and couldnt help but show it. Gohan told himself that he should watch it or they would catch up to him if he didnt start training, in the end gohan would have to have lowered his fighting power in order not to hurt goten, but had to raise it when he realized goten was hitting him as hard as he could, so in retrospect gotens strength doesnt really say much, if all gohan has to do is turn it up a little in order to leave him behind.

But he also was trying to train hard AT that level so he could get used to fighting again.
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Dec 4 2011, 01:49 AM
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Dec 4 2011, 01:39 AM
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That's as best as I could get it without blurring it. It's too far to tell with certainty what expression he's got on his face, BUT...

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That's the very next panel, and we clearly see his face there. Unless Goten suddenly started delivering more power with his punches than his kicks, that would be Gohan's expression in the obscured panel we're referring to.
It could be that Goten got a "lucky shot" in. Just like Trunks did to Vegeta, of course that's a guess and I don't have a problem with placing Goten strong enough to make Gohan show signs of effort however the panel where he's smiling while blocking multiple hits at once kind of lowers away the chances imo. The first shot can easily be explained as Gohan not expecting it (Goten never gave any warning) and the 2nd one Goten getting a lucky shot (Like Trunks) while I can't find an explanation for Gohan smiling for the other panel if he really was trying his hardest. There are some other things that I think places Goten weaker than some say, still very strong but not quite Gohan's stength.
Im inclined to agree with you.

To me the first panel shows Gohan very calm and in control, where the second panel doesn't shout effort so much as it does surprise.
Heck Gohan looked like he had seen a Ghost when Goten chucked a rock at him at full speed. There's no way he was counting on him being able to throw it so fast. Same applies here, he doesn't truly know just how strong Goten is so when he dishes out a full force punch at a relaxed Gohan its gonna shock him.

Sweat marks aren't always an indication of effort and worry in the manga.
Hell if that was the case SSJ Goku must have been exhausted or spent fighting 50% Freeza let alone 100%. Which we know isn't true:

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If we're gonna go into fine detail Gohan's eyes aren't completely sharp, their very round. Even in the second panel.
The teeth grind is from no more than shock as presented previously by the rock throw.
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Goten is actually sweating 60% more than Gohan in that one panel where it shows them sparring together in a montage with everyone else so Gohan is 60% stronger than Goten trolololol.
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I circled two sweat marks in one circled for both of them. Gohan has 10 and Goten has 16
Note: This is not meant to be taken seriously, I did this ages ago when people seemed to look so far into this single panel as a way of determining Goten's strength so I decided to look too far into it too ;)


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Dec 4 2011, 11:08 AM
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Dec 4 2011, 01:49 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Dec 4 2011, 01:39 AM
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That's as best as I could get it without blurring it. It's too far to tell with certainty what expression he's got on his face, BUT...

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That's the very next panel, and we clearly see his face there. Unless Goten suddenly started delivering more power with his punches than his kicks, that would be Gohan's expression in the obscured panel we're referring to.
It could be that Goten got a "lucky shot" in. Just like Trunks did to Vegeta, of course that's a guess and I don't have a problem with placing Goten strong enough to make Gohan show signs of effort however the panel where he's smiling while blocking multiple hits at once kind of lowers away the chances imo. The first shot can easily be explained as Gohan not expecting it (Goten never gave any warning) and the 2nd one Goten getting a lucky shot (Like Trunks) while I can't find an explanation for Gohan smiling for the other panel if he really was trying his hardest. There are some other things that I think places Goten weaker than some say, still very strong but not quite Gohan's stength.
Im inclined to agree with you.

To me the first panel shows Gohan very calm and in control, where the second panel doesn't shout effort so much as it does surprise.
Heck Gohan looked like he had seen a Ghost when Goten chucked a rock at him at full speed. There's no way he was counting on him being able to throw it so fast. Same applies here, he doesn't truly know just how strong Goten is so when he dishes out a full force punch at a relaxed Gohan its gonna shock him.

Sweat marks aren't always an indication of effort and worry in the manga.
Hell if that was the case SSJ Goku must have been exhausted or spent fighting 50% Freeza let alone 100%. Which we know isn't true:

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If we're gonna go into fine detail Gohan's eyes aren't completely sharp, their very round. Even in the second panel.
The teeth grind is from no more than shock as presented previously by the rock throw.
Goku was pretty tired though, and who knows, maybe Namek was 150 degrees.
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Well I haven't answered the topic yet so I'm just going to say Bio Broly being stronger than the kids is enough for me to say I think he's stronger than IPC too.
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For the battle that follows after and the hits Goku purposely takes from Freeza, i dont see him being tired at all. He takes his sweet time until the point where Freeza starts to drop in Chi rapidly.
Post- Super Saiyan he's definitely been rejuvenated from when he was Post- Genkai Dama.
Either that or he's purely fueled with the adrenaline of his Super Saiyan rage.

I'd say a bit of both, but more so rejuvenation.
Not to imply SSJ Goku Namek was ever at the full strength he was capable of.

That panel that you have shown Teen Gohan Z helps. Goten might be more powerful than i first thought
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