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Skill levels(tiers); if they existed
Topic Started: Nov 29 2011, 10:03 AM (614 Views)
DarkCore
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So,if Dragon Ball Z was about skill,not power,how would you rank characters ?

All characters have equal PLs,and some unique abilities that are too strong are also turned off(f.e. majin buu's regeneration is not counted,but Cell's regen stays)

1st Tier : - the best of the best

Goku - well,obviously,he trained in martial arts his whole life,born warrior and has many techniques,always fights for good and never gives up
Vegeta - trained in space martial arts his whole life,conquered whole planets,a prince of a great warrior race,fights equally with Goku on equal power levels,great tactician(except in android saga when his ssj ego multiplier takes over),very intense fighting style

2nd Tier : - just a bit under 1st tier

Frieza - One of the most powerful beings in the universe,he also showed he is very capable of fighting,but he is still a bit under guys from 1st tier

Piccolo - a very good and smart fighter with alot of useful techniques special to him(special beam cannon,regeneration f.e.)

Cell - he has techniques from most great warriors,and he would be 1st tier if he wasn't a bit of everything

Nappa,Bardock,other elite saiyans - saiyans are naturally best warriors in the universe,and if they are trained elits it hardly gets any better,and yes Nappa wasn't smart,but he was still a great fighter

3rd Tier : - those are mostly good and trained warriors who are still under the best

Tien - has good techniques and trained martial arts his whole life

Krilin - trained with Goku,destructo disk

Raditz and other weaker saiyans - still saiyans,but not as good fighters as better trained/more experienced ones

etc etc

4th Tier : those are charcters who have some flaws that divide them from upper tiers

Gohan - he is good fighter,trained by the best,but he still rarely trains,has low self confidence and is too soft to go any higher in tiers

Yamcha - he was an ok fighter before he stopped training

Androids - those guys are more or less programmed to fight,and that is under real fighting sense,17 and 18 for example were just usual kids,without huge power level and infinite ki,they'd be nothing
(Piccolo fought equally with 17 even though 17 has infinite ki)

Well,I'm too lazy to continue right now,feel free to post your own skill tiers :)


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Shoudn't this be in Dragonball/Z Discussion?

Anyway, here are the tiers:
1st = Goku, Vegeta, Cell, Roshi
2nd = Piccolo, Frieza, Nappa, Bardock, Fasha, ChiChi, Cooler, King Vegeta, Ox King
3rd = Raditz, Tien, Krillin, Videl, Turles, Spopovich, Yamu, Dabura
4th = Gohan, Yamcha, Cyborg 17, Cyborg 18, Broly, Janemba, Hirudegarn
5th = Pan, Lord Slug, Android 13, Android 14, Android 15, Launch
6th = Marron, Bulma, Babidi
7th = Turtle

and so on...until

9000th = Hercule :lol:

Edited by brolyeuphyfusion, Nov 29 2011, 02:21 PM.
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I'll just write my top 3 tiers here:


Tier 1:

Goku - Taking SSJ and Kaioken away and he still wins it by a considerable margin, he's always been smart when it came to fighting and showed to have an extreme endurance, he has a natural talent for it.

Roshi - No question the most skilled when it comes to martial arts fighting and would be an extremely difficult fight for any villain or Z-Warrior if he possesed the same power level as them, and I don't see any of them winning but Goku or Cell with some effort.

Cell - Well, he has everyone's genes... so there. Can be a bit overconfident but still tier 1.


Tier 2:

Piccolo - Has always shown to be a competent fighter and being smart about it too, plus is always a step ahead of Goku when it comes to creating new techniques, which makes him more skilled in the art of ki.

Kuririn - Known for stalling villains that are X times more powerfull than him, has also shown to be a good tactician when needed and has Kienzan which would be insta-death to anyone a few times his own powerlevel. Tayoken helps.

Tenshinhan - He showed to be very skilled when he drawed with Kid Goku, it is said that they had the same powerlevel, but then again, would he still be able to draw if it was Adult Goku with the same powerlevel? Nonetheless, Kiko-Ho makes him a powerhouse and Tayoken also helps.


Tier 3:

Vegeta - The prince is the most skilled of all the brute saiya-jins, I see him being a cunning and dirty fighter but he doesn't have a variety of techniques nor is very skilled in martial arts, I see him being really dedicated to a type of trainning that gives him power, not skill.

Nail - This is too vague, but the most powerfull (which is useless here) and most well trained fighter of his planet should be at least a top tier 3, again, it is vague but I'm assuming he has a variety of techniques similar as Piccolo.

Androids - Not as skilled as the tier 3 fighters but have no energy drain and will never tire untill they die, that is a big plus.


Edited by Battle Power, Nov 29 2011, 01:57 PM.
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you cannot really say Vegeta has no martial arts skill,he was trained in space IMO,but we actually CAN'T KNOW is he trained in martial arts or no,but since he went EQUAL with Goku on equal PLs,he either has way more talent than Goku or he is trained in martial arts,anyway he cannot be put in tier below Goku,that is just ignorance and hate

I didn't put this in DB/Z discussion because I thought we can count GT chars in here too,and this is kind of like a vs + I didn't know where else to put it :D
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Dude... it depends on what skills you're referring to. Cunning and techniques are just as important as martial arts skills. Strictly DBZ canon... I have them ranked like so:

1st Tier Skill Fighters are:

Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Cell, Kid and Ultimate Gohan, Tien, Master Roshi, Kami, Dabra, and Android 16.

These fighters have proven to be cunning, wise, or full of techniques. That's why they're Tier 1. They're the best. They show indomitable spirit, unmatched style and skill in combat, and minds that were born to craft battle strategies. Although, from time to time they do make tactical errors.

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2nd Tier Skill Fighters are:

Trunks, Yamcha, Chaoutzu, Krillin, Freeza, Raditz, Nail, Dr. Gero, Cyborg 18, Cyborg 17, Ginyu, Fat Buu, Evil Buu, Kid Buu, Super Buu, Uub, and Goten.

I consider these to be Tier 2 because they are, mid-high ranked warriors, but are of course not super warriors. They have skill. They have smarts. But they don't have enough to be Tier 1. In fact, some of them are in Tier 2 because they made some blatant mistakes during combat. Some others are in here because they have some qualities in combat that set them apart from some Tier 3 fighters.

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3rd Tier Skill Fighters are:

Nappa, Cui, Dodoria, Zarbon, Jeice, Burter, Recoome, Guldo, King Cold, Android 19, Saibaman, Yakon, Pocus, Spopovitch, Yamu, and Mr. Satan.

Forgive me if I left anyone out. These guys are Tier 3: Bottom of the rung. Why you may ask? A couple of these guys are decent fighters you say? Well, true, however, they lack what Tier 2 requires: actual techniques. Some of them cannot sense their opponents battle-power, and rely on their eyes. So does Freeza, but he is a special case because he has other skills that counter for that. Many of these fighters aren't very smart, and are gullible. Some have displayed extreme stupidity, such as King Cold, Mr. Satan [lol], Zarbon, and Nappa. That's why these fighters are Tier 3.

All in all, they aren't horrible fighters without any skill, but they should be deprived of any kind of recognition as real warriors, at least compared to Tier 2 and Tier 1.
Edited by Wintergreen5000, Nov 29 2011, 06:35 PM.
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