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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 03:00 AM Post #1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Your ThoughtZ Suppressing Super Saiyan Power We know that the Saiyans came to control the Super Saiyan state. Also, by the arrival of Kid Buu, we learn that Super Saiyan 3 power was incredibly hard to maintain. So, I'm basically addressing Super Saiyan 2 in this topic. Though filler-induced, above vid gives a decent idea of how Super Saiyan 2 power compared to the strongest fighters in the manga. Gohan was able to maintain complete control of the battle, as well as his power. Which leads me to raises a few points.
This infers suppression at Super Saiyan 2; maybe Gohan's pulling something like this: But exactly how much is he suppressing? Do you really think that Gohan on Babidi's Ship was weaker than Gohan (regardless of was state he was in) at Cell or is it that Gohan just could not reach full power; in short, was it suppressed? My Thoughts No duh... Of course, though the logic behind it is legit, the actual numbers are pure spec. But yeah, in that topic, I used SEG as basis. SSJ2 would max at twice of SSJ max. Since Cell believed that he'd match Gohan with full strength, I infer that Gohan wasn't at Full Power, and had probably not even begun to show strength. I gave an A1SSJ like boost as a bare min; Gohan had already been stronger than everyone else, and an A1SSJ boost would have gotten everyone's attention, especially if it didn't come with the previously mentioned energy drain.
It's possible that, Super Saiyan 2 Gohan (allegedly) at Dabura simply couldn't reached max out and was maybe around 85-90 bases... Yeah. And Super Saiyan 3 was just a beast to handle regardless, so I assumed that it did leave much for suppression.
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| Wolf | Nov 29 2011, 03:02 AM Post #2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I swear everytime I see a post from you it's some elaborate explanation of something I would of never thought of. Very smart bro. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 03:05 AM Post #3 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I call it "trying to do homework... see how that works out . (mins later) Posting on DBZF. Seemingly easier to do than homework..."Schway thanks, bro. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 29 2011, 06:42 AM.
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| Illustrious | Nov 29 2011, 03:11 AM Post #4 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I think SSJ2 Gohan was suppressed in his battle against Perfect Cell, or at least masking it and using a greater portion of power when he really needed it. When Super Perfect Cell arrived, he was vastly superior to SSJ2's Gohan suppression, so he was confident. Little did he know that Gohan had a lot more power hidden away. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 29 2011, 03:27 AM Post #5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Makes sense to me and it's definitely possible. I honestly think Gohan didn't lose too much power, he was just unable to reach that max again. His powers have always been shown to rely on his emotions and he didn't actually have that trigger against Dabura (if he was SSJ2 at all). I think if he had to watch people he cared for getting basically tortured again, he could get pretty close to his Cell Games power. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 04:10 AM Post #6 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I agree with that. This is how I've seen the Cell Games powers. SEG 110% is advantage 121% is definitive win
Cell and Goku are nearly equal with Cell at slight advantage. Gohan calls them out on, but Goku says "NO JOKEZ." And then Gohan says "-_-; ... but I don't a fighter. don't huggles, Cell. I go gets Seruphim."
I use a min 1.3 factor for A1SSJ; min 1.69 (1.3 * 1.3) for A2SSJ. As stated in my first post, Gohan with a A1SSJ up is like Raptor Jesus. But Cell says Raptor God and ups, which means that I pretty much think that, up until now, he has gotten by with using no more than 2/3 power. Gohan's Counter Kamehameha and his subsequent assault easily overtakes Cell's power. So I used a A2SSJ up to his SSJ.
By here, it's self-explanatory. Cell bulks, so I give his full power a A2SSJ up, but he's probably draining energy and is now slow enough to dodge. I'm thinking Gohan pulls a Goku and uses a Full Power Kick that lasts for a split second. Afterwards, Cell blows his load, and comes back 4moar. Aside from minutia that would surprisingly start 5 page arguments, I'd call it somewhat accurate (SEG). Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 29 2011, 04:12 AM.
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Badabing!
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They couldn't even suppress SSjin until they mastered it. How do people come to the conclusion that SSjin2 and SSjin3 could be suppressed? |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 04:21 AM Post #8 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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So, I take it you're not for suppression in SSJ2... Well, I didn't say SSJ3 could be suppressed. I don't think it's outlandish to think that SSJ2 is partly suppressible, especially since Goku and Gohan put in the work to control SSJ, unless it's another 10* to 50* boost. If I raise my stats to handle a *50 increase, then a stacked *2 shouldn't be nearly as bad to handle. That, and the fact that Cell thought he'd be able to catch Gohan's power with Full Power, Power Weighting, etc... Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 29 2011, 04:21 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 29 2011, 04:24 AM Post #9 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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It comes down to if you take Cell's statements seriously. I don't think it's a viable option. His confidence is better described with his obsession with his "perfect form". Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Was Gohan holding back? Most likely. Suppressing? I really doubt it. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 04:29 AM Post #10 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Nice. Though, to counter, the Z-Warriors thought Cell may have had a chance as well at Full Power, then at Buff Power, unless they were just being overly concerned, but placing stake in that would be opinion as well. Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 29 2011, 04:37 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 29 2011, 04:38 AM Post #11 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Their surprise at gohan consistently beating cell is easily explained by Piccolo: Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle (and the camera man)They weren't surprised at the power itself, they were surprised who the power was coming from. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 29 2011, 04:49 AM.
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Nov 29 2011, 04:59 AM Post #12 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The idea of going through a transformation without achieving full power in a previous form is far-fetched. It simply doesn't make sense. But yeah lil basically explained it how I was going to explain it. Cell was probably more cocky than Saiyan arc Vegeta and that's saying a lot. He had so much confidence and belief in himself that he was delusional basically. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 04:59 AM Post #13 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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but I didn't say they were surprised at Gohan's power. I stated that they were concerned when ever Cell powered up, as if he were actually catching up to Gohan's power. Such as Cell going full power, Krillin stating that Cell's ki is incredible, and yet no one stating that it's not a match for Gohan. Also, Future Trunks stating that Buff Cell has power, but not speed. Those statements are pretty much moot if Gohan's showing that much power to begin with, and the manga is being dragged out for no reason. Full Power |
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| Mihawk | Nov 29 2011, 05:07 AM Post #14 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I don't think they were concerned at all. Krillin was amazed at the ki which is natural but he doesn't bother compare it to gohans. Goku was actually happy that Cell went full power. So here you have Krillin saying a vague statement and Goku saying for sure that Gohan is still over. |
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 29 2011, 05:09 AM Post #15 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Not sure what this means. I was stating that he wasn't using all of the SSJ2 power until the end. I don't know what you mean by previous form. But to each, their own. That's why the title of the topic is Your ThoughtZ. It's a topic for debate. I guess this topic may be related. From there, you can find my opinion; SSJ didn't change, Goku and Gohan just became strong enough to control it; since that's the case (IMO), a *2 boost should be controlled somewhat even if it can't even be lowered below SSJ state. @ ill [shrugs] then you'd say that gohan wasn't able to control his power to that extend. gg Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 29 2011, 05:10 AM.
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