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Nov 26 2011, 05:20 PM Post #16 |
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Ok,so PAN is stronger than Goten and Trunks ? I gotta admit,the only parts of GT I watched were Goku vs Baby,Goku vs 17 and Goku and Vegeta vs Omega Shenron,so I didn't see Pan in action and omg...OMG... *****ing hell,I know GT is retarded but THAT retarded ? At least I'm glad now I didn't waste my time watching GT,btw if you wonder WHY didn't I watch GT,it is because it was so *****ing I boring I quit it as soon as they went to those boring planets in space |
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| NeoSSayajin | Nov 26 2011, 06:15 PM Post #17 |
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By my numbers Pan blasts easily every fighter behind the Cell Juniors. |
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Nov 26 2011, 06:49 PM Post #18 |
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Do you have evidence to back up that statement? I believe Cooler would win. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 26 2011, 07:17 PM Post #19 |
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Pan's strength being used in this thread is strictly not canon... just saiyan. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 26 2011, 09:09 PM Post #20 |
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Pan is stronger than Base Goten and Trunks (IMO stronger than them in SSjin too). It's heavily implied by Goku that she's a powerhouse.
Gohan got stronger. He trained.
Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P3.8-9 Pan: “Grandpa. I’ve circled around the Earth!” Goku: “Alrii—iight! Great, that was pretty fast!” Chapter: 518 (DBZ 324), P4.1 Goku: “She won’t be able to win the tournament, I suppose, but she should definitely be able to go pretty far. Right now, Pan is the one in our family with the most guts!” Pan: “Yeah!” She's already established to be faster than all DB characters and most early-mid Z characters, and Goku says she'd go "pretty far". In a tournament with only 12 fighters, 5 of whom were human (not including Oob), going "pretty far" would have to mean getting past at least one of the non-human fighters because beating the human fighters would be a given. Goten and Trunks are the weakest actual fighters there. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 26 2011, 09:14 PM Post #21 |
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Personally I don't use that line as any more evidence than she's stronger than a regular human. What if she went up agaisnt Vegeta or Mr Buu first? She can't "definitely" go pretty far if there's even a single person she could lose to in the first round unless Goku planned on using Buu to match her up with someone which he didn't so there was always a chance she would lose on the first round making Goku's statement kinda redundant if you ask me. Unless of course he meant she was stronger than everyone except Himself or Uub since he knew he and Uub wouldn't have to fight her first round but that would make her stronger than Mr Buu and sorry but I just can't believe that. |
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Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM Post #22 |
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Saiyan Prince(royal blood) has a PL of 10000-18000 in that age Goku(low class) has a PL of 100-500 in that age A *****ING GIRL THATS 1/8 SAIYAN HAS A PL ABOVE SUPER SAIYAN(150,000,000) !??!?!?! Edited by DarkCore, Nov 26 2011, 09:34 PM.
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| Naruto-Gogeta | Nov 26 2011, 09:48 PM Post #23 |
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Remind me, who was in the tournament? And that seems a little bit vague. I'm all for being proven wrong, but because Goku said she'd go "pretty far" is too vague to change my opinion. |
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The blonde girl with the black lips turned to Valkyrie. "We know," she said. "We've seen the future. We know you're going to kill the world..." Release it Gohan! Release everything! Remember all the pain he's caused... The people he's hurt... NOW MAKE THAT YOUR POWER!!!! ![]() JOIN MY BOXING FORUM NOW! http://s4.zetaboards.com/Boxing_Forum/index/
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| Kblo247 | Nov 27 2011, 12:39 AM Post #24 |
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Goku Vegeta Uub Mr. Buu Goten Trunks Hercule * They didn't know Piccolo wasn't entering to the tourney itself. Pan was thought to be ready to do damage with no junior division. Vegeta of all people also basically said the boys should have been more like her, but had gotten soft in peace times. Thing is they were stronger than before, so I guess that means they were just slacking and gradually progressing unlike the giant gains in the past Goku told Goten he could beat Buu if he would have trained seriously, so you have to assume that the ssj rule was still in effect since people knew about them and the past tourney just not Buu being evil. Pan may not win vs Buu or Vegeta or Goku, but she stood a chance to give them a fight. And vs Trunks, Goten, or Uub she probably humbles them since Uub obviously wouldn't get ***** talked into tapping into his power. You also got to remember that she was there when they all said they would take a dive for Hercule, so she knew she wasn't winning anyhow Edited by Kblo247, Nov 27 2011, 12:44 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 27 2011, 04:31 AM Post #25 |
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Lunar's the one that best explains how strong Pan is IMO, so I tried to find a good post of his that helped. "let's see what evidence there is for pan being extremely powerful. 1. she can quickly fly around the earth. early buu arc gohan would take over 13 hours to circle the earth as an mssj. 2. pattern of new fighters. every single time a major new fighter appears, they are comparable to or stronger than the upper tier z fighters. 1. roshi was stronger than goku. 2. yamcha was nearly as strong as goku. 3. krillin was nearly as strong as goku, and stronger than yamcha. 4. tien was as strong as goku. 5. chiaozu was nearly as strong as krillin. 6. yajirobe was as strong as goku. 7. king piccolo was stronger than goku. 8. piccolo was as strong as goku. 9. gohan was stronger than goku. 10. nappa (full power) was as strong as goku 11. vegeta was stronger than goku. 12. dodoria was nearly as strong as vegeta 13. zarbon was stronger than vegeta 14. all ginyu force (except guldo) were stronger than vegeta 15. captain ginyu was stronger than goku 16. frieza was stronger than everybody 17. trunks was a little weaker than goku, but stronger than everyone else. 18. androids 19/20 were weaker than piccolo and ssj's but stronger than everyone else. 19. 17/18 were stronger than everyone. 20. cell was stronger than all ssj's. 21. 16 was stronger than everyone but cell. 22. goten and trunks were nearly as strong as gohan 23. kibito and kaioshin were comparable to base saiyans. 24. dabura was comparable to mssj gohan 25. fat buu beats all except ssj3 goku. 26. ssj gotenks is stronger than ssj3 goku. 27. super buu is as strong as ssj3 gotenks. 28. kibitokai was much more powerful than unfused saiyans, except ssj3 goku. 29. "vegito is god" -dbzhybrid 30. kid buu is as strong as ssj3 goku 31. pan is naturally mssj level. 3. in a tournament of 12 people, 7 of which are super powered, goku said pan wouldn't win, but would go far. he wouldn't be referring to the normal humans, because that's a given. he was addressing bulma's concern of the tournament being dangerous to pan, because there was no child's division, so pan would be fighting against the other z fighters. therefore, e must have been referring to the z fighters he knew would be participating: himself, vegeta, mr. buu, goten, trunks, and uub (he didn't know uub's name, of course, but he knew he was fighting). "going far" means she would win at least one fight, so she must be stronger than at least 1 figter whose power is known. uub's power isn't known, so he's out. therefore, the range of possible powers for pan is > mssj goten (the weakest known power) but < ssj2 vegeta (the gratest known power, because goku never intended to fight her). she must be under ssj2 vegeta, because goku also said she wouldn't win the tournament. now, evidence for pan not being that strong: 1. personal opinion/ pan hate 2. absolutely nothing else. " |
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| + Clearin | Nov 27 2011, 11:02 AM Post #26 |
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Nareg, Captain Chicken, Otokosuki, Nok, Wild Tiger. (Nareg and Otokosuki's name were taken from the wiki as I had no idea what their names were) Anyway that's already 5 possible people she could have beat, and she did in fact beat one of them, Wild Tiger.
Well first of all we don't know if the no SSj rule was still in place. Also I think the weakest known power would be pretty much all 5 humans that Goku knew was going to enter.
We don't know that. Goku didn't plan to leave the tournament early since he even heavily hinted at Uub winning the tournament. And then there's the no SSj rule which is still unclear. And that list for the most part had to be done for plot reasons, Pan had no reason to be so strong plotwise, it's like saying Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu because he came after. Not to mention the amount of characters missing from the list kinda taking away from the whole point of "All new characters fit into the newest power scale". And some of them are just wrong to be on there, Android 19 and 20 are weaker than Super Saiyans and Piccolo so they don't fit on the "All new characters fit into the newest power scale" chart. Goten and Trunks are listed are as strong as Gohan (Which I don't believe with but let's role with it anyway) but that's only in the same forms, if Pan is following this chart shouldn't she be as strong as someone else's base rather than their Super Saiyan form? It'd fit the whole chain thing better (Even though it kinda broke long before that when Kid Buu is said to go backwards from Super Buu or Kibito was only listed as strong as base saiyans pretty much destroying the purpose of the chain saying everyone will be up to the newest standards of power). Basically characters will be as strong as they need to be for plot, if their power isn't needed for plot then they just won't have huge power, like Puipui or Yakkon. "She will definitely go through." can only mean a few things: 1) Goku will fix her matches for her (Didn't happen) 2) She is stronger than every single person their but Mr Satan will be stronger than her (Highly doubtful) 3) She was stronger than everyone their except Goku and Uub since Goku knew she wouldn't fight either of them in round 1 (Also doubtful) 4) Everyone was planning on purposely losing to her but she'd let Mr Satan win (Judging by Goku's wording it sounded like she wouldn't be able to win by her skill, not that she'd throw the fight on purpose) 5) Everyone was planning on purposely losing to her but Mr Satan would be too strong for her (Lol) None of these options look very plausible to me and so Goku can't have actually meant she'll "Definitely" be able to go far because as long as there's even a single person stronger than her outside of Goku and Uub she always had a chance of not going through. Edited by Clearin, Nov 27 2011, 11:08 AM.
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| Kblo247 | Nov 27 2011, 12:42 PM Post #27 |
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I think definetly implies the following - She is already above the humans easily - She could beat Uub if they were matched up early as could the other saiyans and Buu as long as they didn't anger him (Goku rigged the match to fight him at 100% and because he wasn't sure if he had control of his powers, which meant he had to find the trigger which the others wouldn't have wasted the time to do) - She could stand up to Goten and Trunks to pull off a win because while they had gotten stronger, they had gotten soft and probably sloppy in peace times - Goku would not go out of his way to embarrass her, probably have a fun little test and win. - Vegeta and Buu (Goku basically told Goten if he trained hard he would have been able to beat him) beat her but they let her have a good showing or some fun out of respect - She knew that if she made it to the finals, to lose on purpose to Satan as she was there when the others all said they would take a dive I honestly Think she definetly would go far means that she would only lose to Goku, Vegeta, Buu, and possibly Piccolo if he entered to fight. Losing to Satan was a given out of respect and they had already made the pact to all take the dive including Vegeta. I don't think he felt she would be one round and done even if the draw gave her Goten or Trunks personally. And he knew she would have a great showing which was he had when he was young and what Krillin, Yamcha, and Tien all had at the tourneys Edited by Kblo247, Nov 27 2011, 12:49 PM.
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| + Clearin | Nov 27 2011, 12:55 PM Post #28 |
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But if she could lose to Mr Buu and Vegeta then she can't "Definitely" go far. Definitely means that it will happen not that "It might happen as long as she doesn't fight Mr Buu or Vegeta in the first round". |
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