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Perfect Cell (Powered Up Against Goku) vs Dabura
Topic Started: Nov 24 2011, 04:20 PM (2,613 Views)
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Teen GohanZ
Dec 3 2011, 06:03 PM
ILLusioNaire
Dec 3 2011, 05:57 PM
Teen GohanZ
Nov 30 2011, 09:06 PM
DarkCore
Nov 30 2011, 09:00 PM
isn't Dabura ssj2 lvl and PC FPSSJ lvl ?

SPC is stronger than Dabura though
Gohan being MSSj or SSj2 in that fight seems to be one of the longest running debates in DBZ history. As of right now there doesn't seem to be a set answer so just go with whatever you think and base your answer off that.
Also guides don't help one bit, one guide says he was MSSj and another says he was SSj2.
Actually, that matter has been settled.
a trolol looks at this and decides that it's fun.

trolol response to GohanZ: UH... YEA... GOHAN WAS ONLY SMSJ. WHOS STUPID ENOUGH TO BELEIVE OTHERWISE, BRUH?

And GohanZ didn't really look as if he was arguing for SSJ2 in the post. Moreso, he was simply lamenting over the whole general ordeal.

Your response was bait, intentionally or not. But for all we knew, you could have been stating that the matter was settled in favor of SSJ2, in which it I (at least) would have still claim that false; usually people pick what works for them and go with it, but ultimately all Dabra vs topics are trolols anyways.

try search for Dabra topics in versus and most of them are against percentages of Cell with a few against Full Power Bojackers...

did you check that Piccolo/Kaioshin/Dabra discussion topic?
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ILLusioNaire
Dec 4 2011, 04:26 AM
You guys misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm no troll biz, nor do I intend on ever being one. What I am saying is that if you argue that Gohan is SSjin 2 against Dabra in any topic then I will be there to counter your arguments. That's it. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of what I said. I'm just saying what I feel, because I too have debated on this subject many times and I'm passionate about the topic.
I wasn't arguing that he was SSj2. Someone was asking what strength level Dabura was on (They actually thought Gohan was a SSj2, so if I were truly biased I could have just let him keep thinking that) but instead I told him the truth, that this topic is one of the biggest debates in DBZ. I didn't say to him "Yeah Gohan was SSj2 so Dabura was SSj2 strength tier".
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Dec 4 2011, 12:53 PM
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Dec 4 2011, 04:26 AM
You guys misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm no troll biz, nor do I intend on ever being one. What I am saying is that if you argue that Gohan is SSjin 2 against Dabra in any topic then I will be there to counter your arguments. That's it. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of what I said. I'm just saying what I feel, because I too have debated on this subject many times and I'm passionate about the topic.
I wasn't arguing that he was SSj2. Someone was asking what strength level Dabura was on (They actually thought Gohan was a SSj2, so if I were truly biased I could have just let him keep thinking that) but instead I told him the truth, that this topic is one of the biggest debates in DBZ. I didn't say to him "Yeah Gohan was SSj2 so Dabura was SSj2 strength tier".
No, I wouldn't say that you were actually arguing since you didn't bring anything up, more like stating your view instead. Still, you stated you believed Gohan was SSjin 2, and that there was so much evidence pointing to it that it couldn't be ignored. I'm just trying to challenge your views because I think they're misplaced for a lot of reasons, some of which I've already stated. But since we're off topic, I won't say anything more about this.

Bizness, I checked it out but I didn't post. I wanted to because you asked me but nothing came to mind so I held off.
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that works; take your time with it; i just find their relation relevant to some of the early buu saga powers, even though, by the time Vegeta blows up, those powers become a bit more irrelevant.
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Gohan was only SSJ against Dabura, SSJ2 has lightning...always.
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Dec 4 2011, 03:46 PM
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Dec 4 2011, 04:26 AM
You guys misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm no troll biz, nor do I intend on ever being one. What I am saying is that if you argue that Gohan is SSjin 2 against Dabra in any topic then I will be there to counter your arguments. That's it. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of what I said. I'm just saying what I feel, because I too have debated on this subject many times and I'm passionate about the topic.
I wasn't arguing that he was SSj2. Someone was asking what strength level Dabura was on (They actually thought Gohan was a SSj2, so if I were truly biased I could have just let him keep thinking that) but instead I told him the truth, that this topic is one of the biggest debates in DBZ. I didn't say to him "Yeah Gohan was SSj2 so Dabura was SSj2 strength tier".
No, I wouldn't say that you were actually arguing since you didn't bring anything up, more like stating your view instead. Still, you stated you believed Gohan was SSjin 2, and that there was so much evidence pointing to it that it couldn't be ignored. I'm just trying to challenge your views because I think they're misplaced for a lot of reasons, some of which I've already stated. But since we're off topic, I won't say anything more about this.

Bizness, I checked it out but I didn't post. I wanted to because you asked me but nothing came to mind so I held off.
Wait so you understand I think he's SSj2 because I have evidence to believe so but you still want to challenge my beliefs because you think I'm wrong? I could say the exact same about Gohan being MSSj, although he differences is are that I accept that the evidence for that side, admittedly I don't think there's as much but I still accept it's there and thus I accept it when people think he's MSSj, I don't argue with them or tell them their wrong. MSSj supporters just seem more stubborn and mean in this particular regard :/ I don't think I've ever seen a SSj2 supporter tell the other person their wrong or make it sound like their opinion is the fact.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:01 PM
:/ I don't think I've ever seen a SSj2 supporter tell the other person their wrong or make it sound like their opinion is the fact.
... [winces] ...

lol, don't ever debate on youtube, GohanZ. crushed dreams. There are sillies are both sides, frankly. Maybe not so much on this forum (...?) but trust me...

"Gohan was only SSJ against Dabura, SSJ2 has lightning...always. "

lol :) , i like it.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:11 PM
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Dec 4 2011, 04:01 PM
:/ I don't think I've ever seen a SSj2 supporter tell the other person their wrong or make it sound like their opinion is the fact.
... [winces] ...

lol, don't ever debate on youtube, GohanZ. crushed dreams. There are sillies are both sides, frankly. Maybe not so much on this forum (...?) but trust me...

"Gohan was only SSJ against Dabura, SSJ2 has lightning...always. "

lol :) , i like it.
:lol: I will never debate on youtube. I've seen a few though but never on this particular subject. They're not all bad. Some of them are just misguided due to not knowing the difference between canon and non-canon.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:26 AM
You guys misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm no troll biz, nor do I intend on ever being one. What I am saying is that if you argue that Gohan is SSjin 2 against Dabra in any topic then I will be there to counter your arguments. That's it. I'm not trying to make a big deal out of what I said. I'm just saying what I feel, because I too have debated on this subject many times and I'm passionate about the topic.
I wasn't arguing that he was SSj2. Someone was asking what strength level Dabura was on (They actually thought Gohan was a SSj2, so if I were truly biased I could have just let him keep thinking that) but instead I told him the truth, that this topic is one of the biggest debates in DBZ. I didn't say to him "Yeah Gohan was SSj2 so Dabura was SSj2 strength tier".
No, I wouldn't say that you were actually arguing since you didn't bring anything up, more like stating your view instead. Still, you stated you believed Gohan was SSjin 2, and that there was so much evidence pointing to it that it couldn't be ignored. I'm just trying to challenge your views because I think they're misplaced for a lot of reasons, some of which I've already stated. But since we're off topic, I won't say anything more about this.

Bizness, I checked it out but I didn't post. I wanted to because you asked me but nothing came to mind so I held off.
Wait so you understand I think he's SSj2 because I have evidence to believe so but you still want to challenge my beliefs because you think I'm wrong? I could say the exact same about Gohan being MSSj, although he differences is are that I accept that the evidence for that side, admittedly I don't think there's as much but I still accept it's there and thus I accept it when people think he's MSSj, I don't argue with them or tell them their wrong. MSSj supporters just seem more stubborn and mean in this particular regard :/ I don't think I've ever seen a SSj2 supporter tell the other person their wrong or make it sound like their opinion is the fact.
Let me get this straight... You accept the evidence for the side of MSSjin, but... you also accept evidence for the SSjin 2 side?

In my eyes, there is only one right answer. There isn't room for two. I stand by what I think because I believe it to be right. I don't see a reason to compromise on this matter and say both views could be right because I believe the evidence points to Gohan being MSSjin, not SSjin 2. If there is a reason to believe that the other person is wrong in their view there is nothing wrong with telling them. It shouldn't come off as insulting because that's not what we're about here. We debate in good spirit, but that doesn't mean we should be forbidden to be forward with each other and debate hard.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:14 PM
Let me get this straight... You accept the evidence for the side of MSSjin, but... you also accept evidence for the SSjin 2 side?
Yes. There does seem to be some evidence for both sides. Hence why I think there is no set answer yet, only the answer people choose based on the evidence provided. Personally I find the SSj2 evidence more believable so that is what I believe.


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In my eyes, there is only one right answer. There isn't room for two. I stand by what I think because I believe it to be right. I don't see a reason to compromise on this matter and say both views could be right because I believe the evidence points to Gohan being MSSjin, not SSjin 2. If there is a reason to believe that the other person is wrong in their view there is nothing wrong with telling them. It shouldn't come off as insulting because that's not what we're about here. We debate in good spirit, but that doesn't mean we should be forbidden to be forward with each other and debate hard.

Well I fully believe he was SSj2 but I'm not going to tell people they're wrong because there's no way I can deny their evidence. The best I can do is show SSj2 evidence, I believe the same goes for the other side. I'm sure you've been in many debates about this, and I've personally seen whole pages listing evidence for both sides and very few times did any of the evidence actually get shot down. As far as I care the answer could go either way and I'm never going to fully agree that a particular answer is 100% correct until Toriyama says so himself or I find something that makes all MSSj/SSj2 evidence invalid.

I know that you debate in good spirit but it's just happened so many times now, when anyone (including me) says they think he was SSj2 and someone always jumps on them/me. Not personal to you but it does become quite tiresome to have the same debate so many times, the exact same things are said each time and it's like no progress is ever actually made.
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One of you make a topic in discussions with the title "Gohan vs Dabra, SSJ or SSJ2", and then have at it.

NVM: this.
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We'll never know. Toriyama-sama's answer may be inaccurate if he ever does comment on the subject.

If you think he was MSSJ, fair enough. Argue your thoughts on the topic and leave it be.

If you think he's SSJ2, fair enough. Argue your thoughts on the topic and leave it be.

Honestly, it's getting quite aggravating seeing this debate in every topic that includes Dabura/Boo Saga Gohan
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If you are bored of deciding either Gohan was MSSJ and SSJ2, then decide by feats.
By feats, I think Perfect Cell takes this rather easily.
By power levels, It's really up to Gohan if he was MSSJ or SSJ2.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:34 PM
Honestly, it's getting quite aggravating seeing this debate in every topic that includes Dabura/Boo Saga Gohan
It usually doesn't affect Buu saga Gohan. Especially since Gohan's power is going to be the same either way, the only person it ever affects is Dabura.

If you think it's aggravating seeing this debate try having someone tell you you're wrong every time you post about what you think.
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Dec 4 2011, 04:38 PM
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Dec 4 2011, 04:34 PM
Honestly, it's getting quite aggravating seeing this debate in every topic that includes Dabura/Boo Saga Gohan
It usually doesn't affect Buu saga Gohan. Especially since Gohan's power is going to be the same either way, the only person it ever affects is Dabura.

If you think it's aggravating seeing this debate try having someone tell you you're wrong every time you post about what you think.
Well, you're right there. Apologies.

And yeah, it must be annoying. That's why I usually try to stay neutral, avoids conflicts a lot of the time.

Regarding the Topic, I believe with his techniques, Cell may be able to take this. Power-wise, Dabura wins.
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