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Perfect Cell (Powered Up Against Goku) vs Dabura
Topic Started: Nov 24 2011, 04:20 PM (2,615 Views)
Seruphim
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Is everyone forgetting the boundaries of the fight as stated by the OP?

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- No spit.


So it doesn't matter if Cell could rip off his body part in time to stop the stone from spreading because there is no spitting in this fight. It's all about power and fighting technique.
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he edited that post...

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Dabra's power = moot compared to everyone in the saga afterwards, so... eh. I think people get most infuriating when he's compared to Cell, as they either think Cell > All, or Dabra < Z Fighters per Popo's Pecking Order...

I personally like Dabra regardless... but yeah, all things considered and Dabra and Cell equal, Cell is more inclined to take, spit aside.

Perfect CellSuper Perfect CellDabra
regenregenstone spit
artificially tactically inclinedartificially tactically inclinedtactically proficient
(ki independent) borrowed cyber enhancements (i.e. #17's Energy Field)(ki independent) borrowed cyber enhancements (i.e. #17's Energy Field)(ki independent) proficiency in magic
zenkaizenkai-
survivabilitysurvivability-
-instantaneous movement-
  • spit vs regen
  • cell may be a 'better' or 'more skilled' fighter if there is such a thing; Dabra's a power fighter, imo; he 'throws his weight' around
  • magic pwns cybernetics
after that, Dabra begins to suffer from 'lack of [...]'... but i kinda like that in that, aside from being from the evil dimension and all, he's just another powerful fighter.
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Seruphim
Nov 25 2011, 07:51 PM
Is everyone forgetting the boundaries of the fight as stated by the OP?

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- No spit.


So it doesn't matter if Cell could rip off his body part in time to stop the stone from spreading because there is no spitting in this fight. It's all about power and fighting technique.
I guess I did forget about the boundaries of the fight. But depriving Dabra of his spit is seriously handicapping him. Still, he is a great match for Cell. If Dabra doesn't have his spit to use then it is very possible that Cell would win, but not without intense difficulties.
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I think Dabura had a better arsenal of techniques imo [as crazy as that sounds].
He's capable of creating 3D duplicates of himself, summoning weapons and other sorts of magic.
That could give him the edge imo.
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I think Cell should win this..he was on par with Cell games MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ kid Gohan would beat the daylights out of SSJ teen Gohan..who'm Dabura seemed to have his hands full with.
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MSSJ Kid Gohan > Dabura >= MSSJ Teen Gohan > Perfect Cell (Vs. Goku) > MSSJ Goku

Dabura keelz Cell.
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If Cell uses his real speed like he did against MSSJ Gohan, Cell should win.
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dabura ~ cell in power. that much is flat out stated, can't be debated.

dabura vs. gohan was more or less even, with dabura holding some advantage. but later, dabura was fully confident in dealing with gohan, who he considered trash. why would dabura be so confident, if he was planning on the same situation as last time? if gohan was mssj in that fight, it doesn't mean that dabura is weaker than goku stated, it means that dabura wasn't going all out. even if gohan was ssj2, it's likely that dabura was holding back somewhat, because he still had 3 other people to fight, 1 of which was definitely stronger than gohan.

so yeah, regardless of how you interpret that fight, it has no bearing on how powerful dabura is.

now that we have that out of the way (dabura ~ cell), we can get down to this vs. match. cell has a wide variety of skills and techniques, but most of them are redundant (kamehameha/galic gun/masenko, or dodon ray/death beam) or impractical (spirit bomb, special beam cannon). he only has a few really useful skills that he's comfortable with at his level of power (kamehameha, death beam, kienzan, solar flare, barrier).

dabura has thousands, if not millions of years of experience, and is a master of both ki and magic. goku himself, when he found out about the magic, admitted that dabura was worse than he though before, when he compared him to cell. this vs. is pretty clear cut, i think. goku already spelled it out for us.
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isn't Dabura ssj2 lvl and PC FPSSJ lvl ?

SPC is stronger than Dabura though
Edited by DarkCore, Nov 30 2011, 09:00 PM.
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isn't Dabura ssj2 lvl and PC FPSSJ lvl ?

SPC is stronger than Dabura though
Gohan being MSSj or SSj2 in that fight seems to be one of the longest running debates in DBZ history. As of right now there doesn't seem to be a set answer so just go with whatever you think and base your answer off that.
Also guides don't help one bit, one guide says he was MSSj and another says he was SSj2.
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IMO:
Power Wise: Dabura.
Speed Wise: Cell.
Skill Wise: Cell.
Best moves: Cell.

Cell super charges an IT Kamehameha. C'ya Dabura!
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you think dabura's never fought a teleporter before? i don't think an IT kamehameha would be anything but a waste of ki.
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^ Dabra basically mimicking IT Kamehameha using magic against Gohan, right lunar? Some thought it was mere after image, but it was a lot more effective than that. F***ed Gohan up something good. I'm beginning to believe that it probably would've fooled Vegeta in battle; Vegeta wouldn't lose, but he'd be pissed off by it.
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it was a "sorcerous afterimage". it was one of the magics he used in the fight.

but i was referring to his apparent history with kaioshin, which would imply he's been in contact with kibito, a teleporter. also, babidi has teleportation magic. I just don't think a fighter that can teleport will be much of a surprise to a guy like dabura. I don't think, as old as he is, there are too many skills he hasn't seen some variation of.
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Nov 30 2011, 09:06 PM
DarkCore
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isn't Dabura ssj2 lvl and PC FPSSJ lvl ?

SPC is stronger than Dabura though
Gohan being MSSj or SSj2 in that fight seems to be one of the longest running debates in DBZ history. As of right now there doesn't seem to be a set answer so just go with whatever you think and base your answer off that.
Also guides don't help one bit, one guide says he was MSSj and another says he was SSj2.
Actually, that matter has been settled. Gohan is SSjin 1, for numerous reasons. One, change of hair. Two, no lightning. Three, energy intake was minimal for reviving Buu [as seen on the gauge] compared to Goku and Vegeta's energy intake. Four, Goku and Vegeta made themselves bleed after a couple hits. Gohan and Dabra didn't display this kind of power.

To comment further though on the actual subject, I highly doubt that Dabra was holding back power against Gohan. We didn't see him power up against Buu after getting pummeled into the mountain. If he was holding back power he would've released it after that. I make the argument also that he was not holding back effort. Why should he? His job is to get energy for Buu, and that means he needs to put a smackdown on Gohan. For what purpose is there in toying with him? Not to mention he was huffing and puffing at the end of his fight with Gohan during their struggle.

Furthermore, I don't see him toying around with Gohan because he initially invited them all to fight him at the same time. Which means he's prepared for a fight. But obviously this isn't to say that he had unseen power up his sleeve because, as I said, he didn't reveal this against Buu later on if he had said power. So it would've been completely erroneous and stupid on his part if the Saiyan trio accepted.

Dabra was confident in facing Gohan the second time because he knew he possessed the skills to defeat him easily. Gohan was a dull fighter at this point and it is quite frankly almost child's play for Dabra to out-maneuver Gohan, as seen in their fight. That's why Dabra was confident.

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