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Super Perfect Cell vs SSJ2 Vegeta

Topic Started: Nov 22 2011, 11:05 AM (7,251 Views)

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Dec 13 2011, 11:53 AM Post #46

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"Anyway,Vegeta wins easily and probably pretty fast because he wants revenge at Cell for tricking him "
it would be anything but easy. vegeta doesnt have the techniques to defend against cell.

"he states himself to be more powerful than ssj2 kid gohan."
no he didnt. he said goku was. while not knowing if he could actually be equal to goku.

"As for the techniques, he's seen them all before, so they make no difference "
vegeta is stupid. sorry but he is. he never learnt from his own mistakes so why would he pay attention to cell forming taiyoken hand sign?
plus i said in the OP that vegeta and cell know nothing of each other in this fight scenario. so you clearly didnt read the topic properly

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lol Vegeta was never stupid,Trunks stated that his arrogance is his only weakness that Cell exploited that was during Cell saga,and this is Vegeta from Buu saga,he wouldn't do stupid mistakes again

Remember that Vegeta went toe to toe,and eventually even tricked Goku,the best and main character while he was EQUAL with him,and he is stronger than Cell

SPC is just a bit stronger than an already beaten up SSJ2 Gohan whose ki was halved as stated...

Majin Vegeta >> SSJ2 Vegeta >> SSJ2 Kid Gohan >= SPC

Vegeta obliterates Cell,sorry Ussj Future Trunks :'(

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Dec 13 2011, 07:03 PM Post #48

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Someone at half Gohan's power wouldn't have been able to do that much damage to him with a lazy blast.

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Dec 13 2011, 07:08 PM Post #49

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Piccolo compared Vegeta to Kid Gohan AFTER the Majin Seal was placed on him.

Vegeta stated that the gap between him and Goku hadn't changed, meaning that he was still around 50%-70% of Goku's Base Power.

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I have SSJ Vegeta at 60~65% Cell's full power. Doing a normal X2 multi'd put his SSJ2 form at PErfect Cell's 120~130%. I don't think Cell got an increase of just 20~30%.
Cell Wins.

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Dec 13 2011, 07:43 PM Post #51

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becuz Piccolo only felt Vegeta's power after Majin. Piccolo was too stoned before then. That's like the first time in 7 years that Piccolo felt something that strong. imo:

Cell Games
fighter	power
Piccolo	55
SSJ Future Trunks	70
SSJ Vegeta	80
SSJ Goku	100
Perfect Cell (at Goku)	110
SSJ Gohan	120
SSJ2 Gohan	240
Super Perfect	215

fighter	power	Piccolo	SSJ Future Trunks	SSJ Vegeta	SSJ Goku	Perfect Cell	SSJ Gohan
Piccolo	55	1	1.27	1.45	1.82	2	2.18
SSJ Future Trunks	70	.79	1	1.14	1.43	1.57	1.71
SSJ Vegeta	80	.69	.88	1	1.25	1.38	1.5
SSJ Goku	100	.55	.7	.8	1	1.1	1.2
Perfect Cell	110	.5	.64	.73	.91	1	1.09
SSJ Gohan	120	.46	.58	.67	.83	.92	1

Babidi's Ship
fighter	power
SSJ, 2 Vegeta	131, 263
SSJ, 2 Goku	164, 329

fighter	power	SPC	Gohan	Vegeta	Goku
Super Perfect Cell	215	1	1.12	1.22	1.53
SSJ2 Gohan	240	.9	1	1.1	1.37
SSJ2 Vegeta	263	.82	.91	1	1.25
SSJ2 Goku	329	.65	.73	.8	1

bash bash bash bash

Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Dec 13 2011, 07:55 PM.

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Dec 13 2011, 07:08 PM
Piccolo compared Vegeta to Kid Gohan AFTER the Majin Seal was placed on him.

Vegeta stated that the gap between him and Goku hadn't changed, meaning that he was still around 50%-70% of Goku's Base Power.

So you mean to say that the majin charm gives vegeta his advanced ssj2 power ONLY as an ssj2? so you mean that its easy to say that goku really iS stronger than vegeta up until the majin boost kicks in? So then i would guess that at this time that vegetas ssj2 boost is stronger than gokus who doesnt need the extra power.

Everyone here is INSISTING that vegeta and goku were the same, but goku didnt NEED a power up to match his own strength level OR vegetas did he? no, he didnt.

So its ALSO safe to say that vegeta's mssj didn get a boost either, he got the boost in the ssj2 form, and maintained it. No wonder vegeta was straining in the anime fight, in the manga he was toe to toe with goku but i dont think he could have won. I still think goku has an inner advantage, if two guys at their max can only push 375 pounds and no higher, If one guy got a boost to be able to match the other guy who is already there naturally it still wouldnt mean that hes as strong, just within range, guy with majin boost,

Gets majin boost and....can go UP to 375 and lift it ONE time
Other guy, naturally has been working at this level and body is acclimated, THIs guy can lift 375 5 times by himself without straining on the first one. So if the first guy is straining to gt up one and the other guy puts it up 5 times whos stronger? They are lifting the same weight at maximum, but the "other" guy has already passed his plateau and is moving up, soon to be stronger just because he is trained and acclimated, is THAT why he is stronger?....go figure <_<

Goku is stronger than vegeta for this simple fact, goku hit ssj3 after passing ssj2 and MOVING on, meaning he IS naturally stronger than vegeta despite claims of equal pl's made by fan based companion books by a company who doesnt even care to correct the contradictions inherent in every issue.

Lets see, the guy with the majin boost can NOW lift 375 ONE time without straining, sure his fighting techniques are excellent and all, but by this time we are DONE with power levels and are just concerned with advancement in the form.

None of you noticed specific PL's exist after the transformations started coming into play? after assj there was no need for a pl, just being strong period, ssj3> ssj2> mssj> ssj>savage ssj. AT this point having a stronger transformation means you are NATURALLY stronger in ALL facets. gokus ssj2 is stronger than vegetas for this VERY reason. Vegeta got a boost to strain and do what goku can with comfort. In both the anime and manga, goku is distracted by the bigger ACTUAL threat, majin buu. If goku and vegeta were the exact same and had no other forms or didnt train hard enough to gain more power? the nit would be dead even, but gokus been an ssj2 for SO long that he managed to become an ssj3. POWER is whats needed to accomplish this feat, goku had it, vegeta didnt. Unfortunately or them both vegeta had managed to get his skill just good enough to match gokus, but with goku already there? it would come down to stamina and power. In the anime it seemed fairly even, but goku not taking him serious just did it for me. He KNEW vegeta wasnt a challenge and only fought him for the sake of saiyan pride. In the anime vegeta even admitted he couldnt get goku to take him serious and then resorted to tricking him and going after majin buu.

Vegeta got mad at goku for making him believe he didnt have access to ANY more power let alone a transformation. He thought they were fairly even and he wanted to prove himelf, what he REALIZED was that goku was patronizing him and found it impossible to REALLY take him serious. Vegeta went after buu because he read buus power wrong. His arrogance in believing he could beat goku with his full attention. If vegeta WAS the true threat, do ANY of you REALLY think he would have won? what about goku and NO ssj3 power? what then?

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Ninjajp247 do you really think most people will read that ? If you can't say it short,you just don't understand it well enough,and FYI only reason Goku is made stronger than Vegeta is because he is main character,nothing more,nothing less,of course that Vegeta would have been stronger if DBZ was realistic and not idealistic

"Someone at half Gohan's power wouldn't have been able to do that much damage to him with a lazy blast. "

wasn't a lazy blast,it was ment to destroy Vegeta and made one of biggest craters in DBZ

And if SPC truly was THAT much above Gohan,he would have killed him right away during kamehameha duel,he wouldn't struggle

Edited by DarkCore, Dec 13 2011, 09:39 PM.

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SUPER LOL!!

if you cant READ dark core, then dont attempt to make me chop it down so you dont have to. I said what i said, and obviously needed the space to say it, you know why? because thats what happens in a conversation.

Everything else was ignored.

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dude you make an essay almost every thread,just saying that you could shorten it a bit,and I read what you written but I regreted it,all that fanboyism didn't really make much sense and didn't have much to do with this thread either

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Dec 13 2011, 09:38 PM
Ninjajp247 do you really think most people will read that ? If you can't say it short,you just don't understand it well enough,and FYI only reason Goku is made stronger than Vegeta is because he is main character,nothing more,nothing less,of course that Vegeta would have been stronger if DBZ was realistic and not idealistic

"Someone at half Gohan's power wouldn't have been able to do that much damage to him with a lazy blast. "

wasn't a lazy blast,it was ment to destroy Vegeta and made one of biggest craters in DBZ

And if SPC truly was THAT much above Gohan,he would have killed him right away during kamehameha duel,he wouldn't struggle

It was a lazy blast for someone as powerful as Cell. That doesn't mean it isn't powerful enough to make a large crater. Cell was clearly toying with Gohan until it was too late. Maybe you're thinking of the anime again?

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Dec 14 2011, 11:27 AM Post #57

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DarkCore
Dec 14 2011, 10:03 AM
dude you make an essay almost every thread,just saying that you could shorten it a bit,and I read what you written but I regreted it,all that fanboyism didn't really make much sense and didn't have much to do with this thread either

Actually DarkCore, Ninjajp247 was trying to give his opinion. Writing a few paragraphs just means you have extensive knowledge on the subject, and Vegeta's power does come into play here. You're the one who is throwing around absurd theories like "Goku is just stronger because he's the main character" and "Akira Toriyama just wanted Goku to be stronger".

Anyway; I do believe Super Perfect Cell could pull this off if he used Vegeta's pride against him. Vegeta was just as arrogant, if not more so in the Buu Saga.

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Thats not absurd that is a FACT.Main character will always be stronger than anti-hero even if that doesn't make sense,like in DBZ.

Absurd is believing SPC can beat SSJ2 Vegeta

BTW,Einstein said that if you can't say something short you don't understand it well enough,but I guess you think you are smarter than him so OK.

Edited by DarkCore, Dec 14 2011, 06:52 PM.

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Dec 14 2011, 06:57 PM Post #59

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Vegeta was foolish in the Boo Saga. He was arrogant about beating Gohan at the Tenkaichi Budokai, so it's not like he really changed much in that regard.

SPC could just trick SSJ2 Vegeta into doing something foolish just like before.

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Dec 14 2011, 06:51 PM
Thats not absurd that is a FACT.Main character will always be stronger than anti-hero even if that doesn't make sense,like in DBZ.

Absurd is believing SPC can beat SSJ2 Vegeta

BTW,Einstein said that if you can't say something short you don't understand it well enough,but I guess you think you are smarter than him so OK.

what i was giving was an explanation of my theory, trying to quote einstein doesnt apply here.

The only one NOT understanding much is you.

By the way? einstein was a MATH major not a language arts major, so im not inclined to believe someone who spoke with numbers and created the atomic bomb didnt have to explain anything.

He has an ENTIRE book on HIS theory of relativity, NONE of it proven, and he's a genius?? says you...

BTW: i dont see you calling him a dummy for writing such a large volume on his theory, you KNOW? since he probably doesnt REALLY understand it.

Give me a break, if you cant read you cant learn. People are taught in school how to communicate and explain things, and one thing with such a short explanation is between people who already understand the subject.

So UNLESS you think revising how this goes by saying that its akira making an antihero thing? he could have killed vegeta at any time and created someone else. In fact he did...so get over it.

Edited by Paikuan extreme, Dec 15 2011, 02:07 AM.

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