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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form
How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
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Meh,I think Vegeta barely wins.I have them as equals.
I have Post majin boost vegeta around 15% stronger than Gohanalso,so yeah.
U have majin vegeta only 15% ahead of kid gohan? 
u would have pre-majin vegeta weaker than pre-z sword gohan(pre zenkai too if u belive he got one) since he was on par with dabura who is equal/a little stronger than perfect cell(surpassed against 100% mssj goku) and gohan in the cell games is no more than 30% stronger than goku at the cell games.
cell(against goku) 107
mssj goku 100
mssj gohan 130
ssj vegeta 60-70
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mssj gohan 105 - 115
dabura 110
it is implied so many times that vegeta >> gohan in this arc.
so vegeta had to be 125 MINIMUM, that's an 92% increase
so going by the same for goku he would be at 192 in ssj(48% stronger than gohan at the cell games)
Majin vegeta is = or a little stronger than goku in the same ssj level, therofe majin vegeta is around 195(50% above kid gohan)
So explain how does what piccolo said(about majin vegeta's power being very close to kid gohan) makes sense? he already couldnt notice the difference between goku and frieza when frieza was pretty much dominiting.
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Nov 25 2011, 11:27 PM
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity.
Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza
Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
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Nov 26 2011, 01:06 PM
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this
Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun...
Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts
want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever
SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot.
Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
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I'm going with Vegeta as well. You don't train as much as he does and be SSJ2 along with it and lose to Cell. Vegeta wins.
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
It does matter what they were made of. How do you know the DBZ Earth doesn't have metal strong enough to withstand a planet busting attack?
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
It does matter what they were made of. How do you know the DBZ Earth doesn't have metal strong enough to withstand a planet busting attack?
I call troll.
SSJ2 Vegeta has considerably more power. Cell has extensive knowledge of how Vegeta works, Instantaneous Movement and Cellular Regeneration, whatever that means...
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
It does matter what they were made of. How do you know the DBZ Earth doesn't have metal strong enough to withstand a planet busting attack?
I call troll. SSJ2 Vegeta has considerably more power. Cell has extensive knowledge of how Vegeta works, Instantaneous Movement and Cellular Regeneration, whatever that means...
I call troll on you, sir.
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
It does matter what they were made of. How do you know the DBZ Earth doesn't have metal strong enough to withstand a planet busting attack?
DUH,because Vegeta could have destroyed the whole planet at PL 18000,and that ofc includes ALL METALS on the planet.But that is just something Toriyama overlooked
Similar thing with character's clothes,Goku wears a normal gi,but it just gets damaged by planet bursting attacks,which is ofc done because of artistic value,or else we'd see naked characters walking around
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Actually,yes,power does determine the outcome of the fight,sure techniques come to importance,but only when power levels are equal.
In DBZ even if you got one PL less than your opponent,you are pretty much screwed,you could put up a fight but would eventually lose
And Vegeta could nuke Cell hard enough for him not to regenerate,Cell isn't Majin Buu,he has regeneration limits
That isn't true, USSJ Trunks was stronger than Perfect Cell (Suppressed) and failed to win that fight. Speed and endurance come into play, too.
Its because he increased his power,but lowered his speed DUH,because Trunks's normal SSJ form is weaker than Cell's normal form How many times did you see somebody with lower power level winning a battle ? yeah...
Situations like that never happened because of the plot-induced-stupidity. Krillin could've easily killed Nappa, Vegeta and Frieza Taiyoken-Kienzan combo.
talking about plot stupidity ? check this Frieza who can destroy planets with ease cannot destroy 17 and 18 made from metals on planet earth,there is no metal on earth that can withstand that kind of blast,Vegeta at 18000 could have already destroyed earth with Galick gun... Goku's PL jumps from 5000 to 150,000,000 in just 3 battles,that means its multiplied by 30000 in just one saga,in whole DB his power lvl went somewhere from 10-500,and Vegeta didn't receive same boosts want more ? it WOULD BE plot stupidity if a blast made by somebody of PL of 1000(Krilin) could kill somebody with a PL of over 4000(Nappa),and power level thing is the biggest stupidity ever SSJ2 Vegeta wins ofc,he is way stronger than teen gohan ssj2 was
We have no idea what #17 and #18 were made of, so that's kind of moot. Goku wasn't at 5k. He was at 90k, and then got a zenkai that put him up to 3mil.
it doesn't matter what 17 and 18 were made of,it can be the strongest metal on earth but Frieza still destroys earth like nothing
It does matter what they were made of. How do you know the DBZ Earth doesn't have metal strong enough to withstand a planet busting attack?
I call troll. SSJ2 Vegeta has considerably more power. Cell has extensive knowledge of how Vegeta works, Instantaneous Movement and Cellular Regeneration, whatever that means...
I call troll on you, sir.
I'm not. The guy just wants a response.
If Vegeta can find a way to match or prevent Instantaneous Movement, then he could actually wins easily enough. But Cell makes this much harder being inherently powerful and showing previously that he is more than capable of outsmarting/enraging Vegeta.
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Vegeta was a ***** in android/imperfect Cell saga when he got ssj and he thought he was invincible,yea thats true but this is not Vegeta from there,this is Vegeta from Buu saga(ssj2),and he already learned his lesson against Cell,Cell couldn't outsmart Vegeta
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i dunno; vegeta did kinda sell out to babidi just to match goku. that's kinda rash; if he can do that, then i'm pretty sure he could be equally rash against cell.
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