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SSJ3 Goku (EOZ) vs...
Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 07:55 PM (1,034 Views)
SirParagon
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There's no way to accurately judge how much stronger Goku became at EOZ. We're only given a fight with Uub where Goku is clearly holding back.
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Yeees...but we also know at the gravity Goku was training in, Earth's gravity, is not a challenge anymore to him so unless he had buildings tied behind him he wasn't going to improve much.
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hmm for all we know goku did some nxt level training on earth or king kais place

or he did normal training

so he could be any where as x2-x100 from buu saga
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Training with King Kai yet he's alive? I think it's obvious Goku stayed with his family all those years later. As I said before Goku training on Earth for 10 years, it's like lifting up 50 pounds for 10 years and never raise the weight...
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I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
Please realize I use a small SSJ multiplier, and an even smaller one (1/2) for Fusion.

I'm currently using these numbers like these:

SSJ2 Goku: 240,000,000,000
-SSJ3: 960,000,000,000
-End of Z SSJ3: 1,750,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (Pre): 320,000,000,000
-SSJ: 800,000,000,000
-Post ROSAT: 500,000,000,000
--Piccolo's hope of Gotenks full base power: 750,000,000,000
--SSJ: 1,250,000,000,000
---SSJ3: 2,500,000,000,000
Shin Buu: 2,200,000,000,000
Fat Buu: 770,000,000,000

Perhaps by not far ahead, I mean compared to people who have Base Gotenks (POST) as many times SSJ3 Goku. I also seem to have underestimated the increase I gave Goku from Buu saga to EOZ. Whoops.
Your personal view of multipliers doesn't negate statements from the manga though, no offense. No matter your multiplier, you should have pre-RoSaT SSjin Gotenks at least a little stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, and then he needs a large boost from the RoSaT.
None taken. It's a debate about a comic book, if people are offending each other, then someone's being a jerk and the debate should be stopped.

I have pre ROSAT Gotenks > Fat Buu, explaining why Goku thought they could take him down. And Gotenks increase IS massive, 36%, which Piccolo thought was only the tip of the ice-berg. And he was damn right: sure it was Base Gotenks limit, but he'd become MUCH more powerful as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3.
Yeeeahh, but Gotenks was still stated to be above Goku and never once contradicted.
Oh balls I forgot that.

EOZ Goku gets eaten by Shin Buu, but can still probably beat SSJ Gotenks.

...Sorry about that huge waste of your time. :unsure:
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