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SSJ3 Goku (EOZ) vs...
Topic Started: Nov 20 2011, 07:55 PM (1,035 Views)
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Super Buu
SSJ2 Gotenks
Super Janemba
SSJ Gotenks (Post)

How far can he go?
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I think that the only one that I would ever even consider is Janemba. I have Base Gotenks post RoSaT somewhere above Goku, SSj would be stronger than that, SSj2 stronger than that and Super Buu even stronger than that.
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What I have on my list? Goku wins against them all. I've got him almost 4x stronger than Ultimate Gohan. Lol.

What I believe? Goku loses against all of them.
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Goku wins vs SSJ Gotenks,loses to all others IMO
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I have Goku beating all of them. I think Base Goku at the end of Z > Base Gotenks (post RoSaT) and I have higher multipliers for non-fused characters so naturally he's>>SSjin3 Gotenks and thus >>All of them.
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I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
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Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM
I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
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Goku would get one shotted by any of them...I dont see him increasing over x3 after 10 years.
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Nov 20 2011, 09:40 PM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM
I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
Please realize I use a small SSJ multiplier, and an even smaller one (1/2) for Fusion.

I'm currently using these numbers like these:

SSJ2 Goku: 240,000,000,000
-SSJ3: 960,000,000,000
-End of Z SSJ3: 1,750,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (Pre): 320,000,000,000
-SSJ: 800,000,000,000
-Post ROSAT: 500,000,000,000
--Piccolo's hope of Gotenks full base power: 750,000,000,000
--SSJ: 1,250,000,000,000
---SSJ3: 2,500,000,000,000
Shin Buu: 2,200,000,000,000
Fat Buu: 770,000,000,000

Perhaps by not far ahead, I mean compared to people who have Base Gotenks (POST) as many times SSJ3 Goku. I also seem to have underestimated the increase I gave Goku from Buu saga to EOZ. Whoops.
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Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 09:40 PM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM
I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
Please realize I use a small SSJ multiplier, and an even smaller one (1/2) for Fusion.

I'm currently using these numbers like these:

SSJ2 Goku: 240,000,000,000
-SSJ3: 960,000,000,000
-End of Z SSJ3: 1,750,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (Pre): 320,000,000,000
-SSJ: 800,000,000,000
-Post ROSAT: 500,000,000,000
--Piccolo's hope of Gotenks full base power: 750,000,000,000
--SSJ: 1,250,000,000,000
---SSJ3: 2,500,000,000,000
Shin Buu: 2,200,000,000,000
Fat Buu: 770,000,000,000

Perhaps by not far ahead, I mean compared to people who have Base Gotenks (POST) as many times SSJ3 Goku. I also seem to have underestimated the increase I gave Goku from Buu saga to EOZ. Whoops.
Your personal view of multipliers doesn't negate statements from the manga though, no offense. No matter your multiplier, you should have pre-RoSaT SSjin Gotenks at least a little stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, and then he needs a large boost from the RoSaT.
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Nov 20 2011, 10:12 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 09:40 PM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM
I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
Please realize I use a small SSJ multiplier, and an even smaller one (1/2) for Fusion.

I'm currently using these numbers like these:

SSJ2 Goku: 240,000,000,000
-SSJ3: 960,000,000,000
-End of Z SSJ3: 1,750,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (Pre): 320,000,000,000
-SSJ: 800,000,000,000
-Post ROSAT: 500,000,000,000
--Piccolo's hope of Gotenks full base power: 750,000,000,000
--SSJ: 1,250,000,000,000
---SSJ3: 2,500,000,000,000
Shin Buu: 2,200,000,000,000
Fat Buu: 770,000,000,000

Perhaps by not far ahead, I mean compared to people who have Base Gotenks (POST) as many times SSJ3 Goku. I also seem to have underestimated the increase I gave Goku from Buu saga to EOZ. Whoops.
Your personal view of multipliers doesn't negate statements from the manga though, no offense. No matter your multiplier, you should have pre-RoSaT SSjin Gotenks at least a little stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, and then he needs a large boost from the RoSaT.
None taken. It's a debate about a comic book, if people are offending each other, then someone's being a jerk and the debate should be stopped.

I have pre ROSAT Gotenks > Fat Buu, explaining why Goku thought they could take him down. And Gotenks increase IS massive, 36%, which Piccolo thought was only the tip of the ice-berg. And he was damn right: sure it was Base Gotenks limit, but he'd become MUCH more powerful as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3.
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Nov 20 2011, 10:17 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 10:12 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 10:03 PM
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Nov 20 2011, 09:40 PM
SSJ Ranulf
Nov 20 2011, 09:32 PM
I feel that he could beat SSJ Gotenks for sure, as I don't have Gotenks very far ahead of Goku even after the ROSAT (ahead, yes, but only by a small amount).

I'm not certain about Janemba but I'm thinking Goku could win: he did well against him as an SSJ3, and I have him increasing more than 1.5x by the end of Z, so I think he could win this battle. It would be tough and he'd probably be almost out of chi by the time it's done.

I don't give Gotenks SSJ2, so I'm unable to comment at this time on that fight.

And Shin Buu crushes him, IMO. While I have SSJ3 EOZ Goku as somewhat close in power (80% range), Buu has many haxes going for him, and Goku has massive energy drain. He's not going to win this, although he'll hold Buu off for a short time.
I can't agree with your rating of Gotenks. He should be far ahead of Goku after the RoSaT, what with being ahead of him before the RoSaT already.
Please realize I use a small SSJ multiplier, and an even smaller one (1/2) for Fusion.

I'm currently using these numbers like these:

SSJ2 Goku: 240,000,000,000
-SSJ3: 960,000,000,000
-End of Z SSJ3: 1,750,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (Pre): 320,000,000,000
-SSJ: 800,000,000,000
-Post ROSAT: 500,000,000,000
--Piccolo's hope of Gotenks full base power: 750,000,000,000
--SSJ: 1,250,000,000,000
---SSJ3: 2,500,000,000,000
Shin Buu: 2,200,000,000,000
Fat Buu: 770,000,000,000

Perhaps by not far ahead, I mean compared to people who have Base Gotenks (POST) as many times SSJ3 Goku. I also seem to have underestimated the increase I gave Goku from Buu saga to EOZ. Whoops.
Your personal view of multipliers doesn't negate statements from the manga though, no offense. No matter your multiplier, you should have pre-RoSaT SSjin Gotenks at least a little stronger than SSjin 3 Goku, and then he needs a large boost from the RoSaT.
None taken. It's a debate about a comic book, if people are offending each other, then someone's being a jerk and the debate should be stopped.

I have pre ROSAT Gotenks > Fat Buu, explaining why Goku thought they could take him down. And Gotenks increase IS massive, 36%, which Piccolo thought was only the tip of the ice-berg. And he was damn right: sure it was Base Gotenks limit, but he'd become MUCH more powerful as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 3.
Yeeeahh, but Gotenks was still stated to be above Goku and never once contradicted.
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Yeah, I don't believe Goku improved much just in Earth, so I got him being if not as strong as Super Buu, still a bit weaker.
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Nov 21 2011, 12:27 AM
Yeah, I don't believe Goku improved much just in Earth, so I got him being if not as strong as Super Buu, still a bit weaker.
But he would have to improve multi-fold to get near Evil Buu?
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Ok maybe not that far, but I don't see Goku improving his SSJ3 in just Earth training, even if it was 10 years later.
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