Ninjajp247

Nov 24 2011, 02:58 PM

There is no need to be bugged tim, designer drugs have a lot more complications than believed by MOST, clinical trials take up to ten years to be released and are usually pulled back within five years, WHy is that? side effects to great, may cause cancer most of them, destroy your body IF this isnt the correct diagnosis that. a+b=c and when you put it together? its usually only a few chemical compounds the person reacts to that can make all the difference, how on earth did bruce lee NOT know he was allergic to analgesic? what was his alternative? instead for his troubles he died by misadventure. im sick and tired of all the pencil pushers trying to convince people taking that stuff is right, starting with famous model nikki taylor, back in the 90's her baby sister killed herself by using an otc asthma inhaler for anxiety. I see commercials EVERYDAY that mar the profession itself by admitting that the risks outweight the benefits of most drugs taken just to ease back pain, or relieve constipation. Cmon tim, I have no bias in my opinion just the need to cut across the red tape people put up as a smoke screen, Half the drugs you names are derivitives of the poppy plant, morphine and opium are the same thing, same difference as meth, crank and crystal. For a very good reason for natural barbituates to be outlawed takes a politicalally charged climate that begs to adhere to the ones in charge, when the rules are made? only the small majority gets a vote, america is still run puritan style and the morals havent changed, just the people that care, its too much. Drugs werent outlawed cause they were mind altering substances, they were outlawed as a side effect of a demand for everyone to be the same...under lock and key.

Otherwise than that i agree with you about the value of other things discovered by mister pasteur and marie curie...respectively, but multiple man made chemicals will never treat your body the same as something natural, sorry tim, but i would rather eat or smoke actual marijuana than swallow a thc pill.

BTW??? gatorade can overfill you with electrolytes and overdose you, making you violently ill for at least a day or so. drinking to much water killed a radio contestant in california 3 years back, all in moderation sir, moderation.

designer drugs are abused by those who wish to and used by those who dont, doesnt change the fact they are dangerous and are declared dangerous. Ask someone at risk for dying of a heart attack or complete failure when they get high LEGALLY everyday, alcohol and barbituates make people do strange things. Who was he latest fame victim to fall into that trap over there again?

point is tim, i didnt respond to your post in particular, just the guy i responded to when i opened the topic, not to mention the one small fact that penicillin is derived from a certain green mold. totally natural.

Tim

Nov 25 2011, 01:59 AM

Ninjajp247

Nov 24 2011, 02:58 PM

There is no need to be bugged tim, designer drugs have a lot more complications than believed by MOST, clinical trials take up to ten years to be released and are usually pulled back within five years, WHy is that? side effects to great, may cause cancer most of them, destroy your body IF this isnt the correct diagnosis that. a+b=c and when you put it together? its usually only a few chemical compounds the person reacts to that can make all the difference, how on earth did bruce lee NOT know he was allergic to analgesic? what was his alternative? instead for his troubles he died by misadventure. im sick and tired of all the pencil pushers trying to convince people taking that stuff is right, starting with famous model nikki taylor, back in the 90's her baby sister killed herself by using an otc asthma inhaler for anxiety. I see commercials EVERYDAY that mar the profession itself by admitting that the risks outweight the benefits of most drugs taken just to ease back pain, or relieve constipation. Cmon tim, I have no bias in my opinion just the need to cut across the red tape people put up as a smoke screen, Half the drugs you names are derivitives of the poppy plant, morphine and opium are the same thing, same difference as meth, crank and crystal. For a very good reason for natural barbituates to be outlawed takes a politicalally charged climate that begs to adhere to the ones in charge, when the rules are made? only the small majority gets a vote, america is still run puritan style and the morals havent changed, just the people that care, its too much. Drugs werent outlawed cause they were mind altering substances, they were outlawed as a side effect of a demand for everyone to be the same...under lock and key.

Otherwise than that i agree with you about the value of other things discovered by mister pasteur and marie curie...respectively, but multiple man made chemicals will never treat your body the same as something natural, sorry tim, but i would rather eat or smoke actual marijuana than swallow a thc pill.

BTW??? gatorade can overfill you with electrolytes and overdose you, making you violently ill for at least a day or so. drinking to much water killed a radio contestant in california 3 years back, all in moderation sir, moderation.

designer drugs are abused by those who wish to and used by those who dont, doesnt change the fact they are dangerous and are declared dangerous. Ask someone at risk for dying of a heart attack or complete failure when they get high LEGALLY everyday, alcohol and barbituates make people do strange things. Who was he latest fame victim to fall into that trap over there again?

point is tim, i didnt respond to your post in particular, just the guy i responded to when i opened the topic, not to mention the one small fact that penicillin is derived from a certain green mold. totally natural.

Considering I am studying medicinal chemistry I am perfectly aware of how trials work as well as the processes before clinical trials. Yes there are sometimes issues, thats why they don't become mainstream drugs which are available for people to be prescribed. And yes, if you take a drug when you shouldn't be then you shouldn't be too surprised when something else happens - that's why they are prescription drugs.

People should take drugs if they are prescribed them - it is pretty much an advantage. What people shouldn't do is take drugs for things they shouldn't. The older asthma inhalers bound to both the beta1 and beta2 receptors which is the lungs and the heart. If someone is taking it for something other than asthma it would easily have been possible to overdose and cause heart failure. Dont' use drugs for what they aren't designed for. These days though it uses salbutamol which only on the beat2 receptors in the lungs so it doesn't have that risk. I'm not saying you should take drugs just because they are there - but because they are there when you do need them there is a better option than just waiting for whatever the problem is to run its course.

And no, the majority of those drugs are not derived from poppy plant. There is morphine and thats about it - and morphine is still an altered version of it. It isn't raw and it is prescription only. I don't know why you are talking about America, I don't live there. This is just a general discussion not looking in a particular country. Drugs were outlawed due to the dangerous side-effects they provide, that much should be obvious.

I never said you'd want to swallow a THC pill, i've never mentioned anything about it. However all those other drugs have a lot of value and are man-made drugs (albeit some with a basis in a natural form, a lot of drugs actually originate from old-wives tales and such) that provide us with a lot. Natural is oftentimes better but not always, there are times when a natural product may have undesirable side effects but that particular molecule is not necessary to the action of the drug. In many cases man-made drugs are better and provide functions which simply don't exist naturally.

Thanks for that point - I wasn't actually aware of that, but it would make sense it you do have too much of it. Goes back to what I said elsewhere about everything being toxic at the right concentrations Nonetheless electrolytes aren't drugs, they don't effect your body in the same way.

If you gain a prescription only medication to use recreationally then you're still breaking the law and that's something people shouldn't do. They are declared dangerous - that's why they're not over the counter medication. They should only be used in the way they are intended. If they aren't it's hardly our fault, we're provided the information and they choose to go and break the law to do it anyway. I'm not saying cannabinoids should be illegal outright, I admitted earlier that there would be certain medical cases where it has it's advantages. My argument is that it shouldn't legal to use cannabinoids recreationally.

Also barbituates are usually replaced with benzodiazepines in most medical situations these days as its a much safer drug. Medicinal chemists are always trying to come up with safer ways to do things. We aren't trying to trick people into doing something which will damage them...

Penicillin is a derivates of it and indeed that was how it was discovered, as I stated a lot of drugs were discovered in a natural state originally and then the process was controlled by humans to produce more of it in a safer way. I tried to give examples of early versions of the drugs if not the first of its type in most cases as these drugs are the ones which then lead the way to the creation of more effective drugs which are now commonly used.

~Tim

Naruto-Gogeta

Nov 26 2011, 06:40 PM

Sure, some guys drive in their car and crash but so do people while under the influence.

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Myth #5: Legalizing marijuana would cause
carnage on the highways
This myth is FALSE
Because,

Early studies showed that people who smoke marijuana have about the same amount of car accidents then people who drink alcohol.

However, a more closer examination revealed that 85% of the people who used marijuana and had a car accident also consumed alcohol!

For people only intoxicated on marijuana, the rate was much lower than for alcohol alone. This finding has been supported by other research using completely different methods.

For example, states that had reduced penalties for marijuana possession experienced a rise in marijuana use and a decline in alcohol use with the result that fatal highway accidents decreased.

This would suggest that, instead of causing a "carnage" on the highways, legalizing marijuana might actually save lives!

Tests have also shown that people intoxicated on alcohol drive a lot faster then people who didn’t used alcohol, while marijuana smokers drive a lot slower and approach other cars more cautiously.

This is because the effects of marijuana makes you more aware of your surrounding so you pay more attention to the things happening around you, it also feels like you are going 60 miles a hour while only driving 30 miles.

Also I would like to add that I drive my car at least a few times a week after I smoked some joints. The funny part is that I have had my share of car accidents but never while I was high on weed, isn’t that something?