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| Poppy | Nov 20 2011, 03:26 PM Post #16 |
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I like to smoke it whenever it is offered to me. As such, i only do it every couple of months or so. I'm quite lazy and quite mistrusting to go around looking for a dealer. If I have money in my wallet, I want to be able to buy anything I can imagine, enough said. |
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| Optimus Banana | Nov 20 2011, 03:32 PM Post #17 |
 
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How many people have directly died from simply smoking or over dosing (which is impossible) on weed? 0. Most people smoke simply for recreational purposes in there own home. Doesn't really affect anyone but the person doing it. So it doesn't really matter if its bad for your health. Eating to much can be bad for your health, playing video games to much, simply sitting still for long periods of time is bad for your health. It's all about the moderation. Some people can do it maturely others can't. Edited by Optimus Banana, Nov 20 2011, 03:34 PM.
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| + Steve | Nov 20 2011, 05:58 PM Post #18 |
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Exactly It should be no more illegal than having cutlery in your house its dangerous and can kill people, but that's ok becase nobody ever gets hurt by knives and such Its negative effects are no worse than most consumables |
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| Fulgore | Nov 20 2011, 09:29 PM Post #19 |
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Legalize it. Why? Your alternative right now is "Botanical potpourri". Chemically engineered incense that -will- ***** you up more than Weed. How do I know? I smoke it on a regular basis. It's much MUCH worse than weed, it's legal to sell and buy IN A GAS STATION OF ALL PLACES. They ban a compound and a new one is made. Legal again. It CAN do damage because these compounds are not thoroughly tested. Cops are against the prohibition. PEOPLE GET KILLED EVERYDAY BECAUSE WEED IS ILLEGAL. The government could EASILY have a marijuana tax. It would boost the economy. It would easily lower the recreational use of it since it's now legal, and readily available. Most of the appeal of weed is that it's illegal. Forbidden fruit is always sweeter. Cops won't have to die busting petty drug dealers selling weed to college kids, they can focus on SERIOUS drugs such as Cocaine. Portugal legalized everything pretty much, look how well they're doing with the drug wars. Prohibition -IS- not the answer. The amount of benefits to legalizing marijuana is RIDICULOUS. Most of the things we've heard such as Marijuana is a gateway drug is 100% bull*****. Weed leads to Cocaine? Well I'm pretty sure every cokehead has drank milk, therefore I propose that MILK IS A GATEWAY DRUG. Edited by Fulgore, Nov 20 2011, 09:34 PM.
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| Tim | Nov 21 2011, 12:18 AM Post #20 |
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The idea of a gateway drug is that because cannabis is a more moderate form by taking it people are getting into a position where they may come across drugs which are even worse for them. All those people who are saying there are no negative effects etc, did you even read my post? There are clearly negatives which should not be allowed - yes there are other versions of it as well which are just as bad, that doesn't mean you should make cannabis legal. I've agreed it is useful for some medical purposes, beyond that I don't think it's necessary at all. Also regarding deaths you're still wrong again. While there is a much lower number and percent of fatalities caused by cannabis compared to other compounds people do still die from it.
Lolwut? The amount of recreational use would increase as legalising it would expose a lot more people to the drug. More people would try it as more people have access to it. By increasing the number of people exposed to it the morbidity relating to it would increase.
Again, did you not read my post at all? It's negative effects are far worse than most things. Why would you think it's okay to make something which will causes peoples bodies and minds damage legal? ~T Edited by Tim, Nov 21 2011, 12:18 AM.
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| Optimus Banana | Nov 21 2011, 01:13 AM Post #21 |
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| Fulgore | Nov 21 2011, 01:45 AM Post #22 |
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Tim, anything has adverse effects in certain people. Milk can kill someone, milk is not something we NATURALLY consume. Your body has to develop a tolerance for it. @Recreational. No. Simply no, Portugal PROVED this. A country that was once CRIPPLED by drug abuse run rampant. Legalized it all, and BAM they're now one of lowest in drug abuse in the world. Tim you're just wrong on this. Death comes from the fact that THIS IS ILLEGAL. People get SHOT because it's illegal. WHY? Because CRIMINALS BENEFIT FROM ANYTHING ILLEGAL. DEA Agents die almost daily because of this. http://www.leap.cc/ Not to mention, like I've SAID. Propaganda spread by such groups as D.A.R.E. (Drugs abuse resistance Education) does MORE harm than good. Truth is you've more than likely been lied to. Prohibition never works. It didn't work for alcohol, and we BOTH know its much worse than weed. Edited by Fulgore, Nov 21 2011, 01:56 AM.
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| Tim | Nov 21 2011, 02:27 AM Post #23 |
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If you are lactose intolerant then yes you shouldn't consume milk - however it is something which provides essential parts of our diets. And most of all it is not something which interacts with your bodies nervous system and causes problems with it. As far as the recreational use I do see your point on that one. There isn't much denying that it would be good for the economy and such. However I do feel that in terms of the damage it does that it should be illegal for that reason. No i'm not wrong on this. This is information i've been taught by lecturers who are experts in their fields, as part of a degree in which I specialize in how drugs work and interact with the body. I highly doubt you honestly believe that all this scientific information is lies. I haven't been lied to, i know enough to understand that there is a lot of rubbish out there which is why I don't buy into a lot of internet resources. The information I use comes from a) my lecturers or b) peer reviewed journals. As for alcohol being worse while there are areas in which they can be around the same - such as the risk both pose if you are driving while under the influence, there are other areas in which cannabinoids as so much worse. To me at least one of the things that worries me with that is that cannabinoids trick your brain into thinking that you aren't being affected by it when in reality you are - so you dont know that your cognition and skill performance has been decreased. However on the cigarette front I do agree with everyone here - it should be illegal. I'm very strongly against that. As i've said though - I don't think it should be legal for recreational use. Medically I believe it has some uses so perhaps by bringing in some legislation in that field it will help control the distribution and make in taxable in that regard. ~Tim P.S. Please don't continue down the track that i've been lied to. I do take offense to the fact that you are calling my degree a bunch of lies. I've attached the two lecture slides from those two lectures. You can read them for yourself (despite me posting a lot of the information earlier).
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| Fulgore | Nov 21 2011, 03:08 AM Post #24 |
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Weed is not worse than Alcohol. Yet it is legal. There's no logic behind it being illegal. You can't twist it into it's worse than x, because frankly its not. When compared to TWO LEGAL SUBSTANCES (Tobacco and Alcohol) marijuana pales in comparison. Sorry if I offended you, but I 100% believe that just because you SMOKE marijuana as RECREATIONAL DRUG does not make you a habitual abuser. I also do believe experts CAN be wrong. Might there be some draw backs to marijuana? Sure. Is it worse than popping percocets 5 times a day? Probably not. Like just about any drug known to man, they're all bad if abused. So, in short I believe there's absolutely NO reason it should be illegal. It's costing the US Billions of dollars and countless lives. If you think that Marijuana should be illegal as a recreational drug then so should just about any sort of Alcoholic beverage and type of tobacco. Also, it's not in our natural diets to consume milk past Infancy. It's technically considered a mutation(The ability to digest milk past infancy). Also, have you ever drank milk straight from an udder? Me either. So we're not really in any sort of position to talk about what milk does unpasteurized, etc. Edited by Fulgore, Nov 21 2011, 03:11 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 21 2011, 03:32 AM Post #25 |
 
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I don't think the effects on yourself are worse than alcohol on second thought. But I'm rock solid on the affects on other people. Under the influence of alcohol you are a lot worse off than with weed when it comes to affecting other people's lives. "cannabinoids trick your brain into thinking that you aren't being affected by it when in reality you are". Alcohol can have the same exact affect. You should have the right to do whatever you want to your own body in my opinion... just as you have the right to stab yourself in the thigh with your scissor. The problem comes when you start using that scissor to stab other people which alcohol has proven to do time and time again. Weed promotes passive behavior while alcohol (in comparison) promotes aggressive violent behavior and is directly related to more crime. While there aren't many studies to prove how much violent crime weed is related to, based on personal experience I know that weed when taken alone does not cause any violent problems. As for why there aren't many studies on why marijuana related to violent crime in comparison to all the institutions out there that constantly hate on crime, I'd say it's because there simply isn't enough data to make the conclusion. And when there isn't enough data, that most likely means there aren't enough occurrences taking into consideration all the people who would pounce on a data set like this. http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_982.html Also Amsterdam has a very low rate of violent crime ^^ |
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| Tim | Nov 21 2011, 03:37 AM Post #26 |
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Uhh, I posted the different affects of both the drugs here and cannabinoids did have it worse than alcohol. If you won't read that then that's not my fault =\ I personally believe that cannabinoids are far worse than alcohol - for example the potential of abuse is far greater for cannabinoids compared to alcohol. As for tobacco i've already stated I believe cigarettes should be banned and i'm glad that people are taking steps towards it even if the amount of money such companies have does make this hard. I also believe that having a drug with negative effects like cannabinoids should not be legalised for recreational use as there is no point in it. Why would you what to damage yourself like that? Percocets are addictive due to then containing oxycodone which is a drug which is very similar to heroin. It is a drug which is only for use within the medical field as prescribed medication. As with cannabinoids I don't think that should be legalised for recreational use. I don't see how it's a relation to it. As i've stated the potential for abuse for cannabinoids is much higher than other such drugs which is why I think it should only be used in the medical field - just like every other major drug or abuse. Technically the ability to digest milk is now the norm for humans. If you go by that it also isn't part of our 'natural' diet to eat plants and fruit and vegetables and such. Further to the point milk isn't a drug. It's irrelevant.
Not quite. While under the influence of alcohol you know you are affected. With cannabinoids you don't feel it at all. With a lot of the rest I agree with you, but this isn't about alcohol legislation. It's about cannabinoids. A lot of the general public don't know enough about it. Even a lot of the users have no idea what its really doing to them. I do strongly believe that it shouldn't be legalized for general use. ~Tim Edited by Tim, Nov 21 2011, 04:00 AM.
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| Fulgore | Nov 21 2011, 05:04 AM Post #27 |
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You missed my point Tim. Any drug -ANY- drug is dangerous if abused. Almost all result in serious side effects. Over dosing on Sleeping pills can potentially kill you. If marijuana is not abused it is DEFINITELY not going to kill you. As for the effects being greater? I have yet to see a stoner stab someone with a beer botlte. |
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| Tim | Nov 21 2011, 09:42 AM Post #28 |
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I think you may have missed mine. All of those pills which are that dangerous are regulated and are usually prescription only. However these is also something called 'abuse liability' which is a measure of the likelihood of use of a drug leading to drug addiction. This is measured through pharmacological equivalence, demonstration of reinforcing effects and its tolerance and dependence. There is a reason cannabinoids are counted as a drug of abuse. As for the alcohol thing you have a point. While not being as damaging to themselves it probably is far worse in terms of reactions an actions to other people an such even though in general it isn't as bad. But this isn't about alcohol, you can't justify legalizing something by something something else is also that way. It was a different generation which legalized cigarettes and alcohol - if they came about today it probably wouldn't happen. ~Tim |
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| Fulgore | Nov 21 2011, 10:19 AM Post #29 |
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Point is Tim, regardless if something is bad for you you have a choice. Cigarettes are clearly CLEARLY bad. You have a choice to pick them up to begin with, the same with alcohol. People know the clear link between lung cancer and smoking, but they chose to pick them up anyway. It's irrelevant if you don't approve of it. People CHOOSE to do these things. Marijuana should be no different. |
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| Tim | Nov 21 2011, 10:35 AM Post #30 |
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The only problem I have with the idea of free choice is education. A lot of people dont know better. Thats why there is such a prevalence of smoking. As i've said before I think smoking should be illegal - especially due to the damaging effect it has on people around them. Likewise wish cannabinoids a lot of people just dont know what they're getting into. And sometimes things like this should be regulated in order to protect people from them. Can you imagine the chaos if prescription medication didn't exist and people could buy whatever they wanted? It would be horrible. I guess my main point is that while it could be looked as a freedom, which don't get me wrong i'm all for, it could also be viewed at as another example of how cigarettes started off - the majority of people didn't know better and got hooked into it and now it's a major morbidity and mortality factor around the world and the companies have so much money they slow down any restrictions as much as they possible can. Do you see where i'm coming from solely from a heath basis? |
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