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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 19 2011, 03:43 AM (2,456 Views) | |
| Mihawk | Nov 19 2011, 03:43 AM Post #1 |
 
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I'm not exactly for it because it'll do harm than good. The cons far outweigh the pros in terms of health. The reason I think it should be legal is because of double standards in legislation. Alcohol does more damage short term, long term, and is directly related to more crime. Kids these days say it's easier to get it then marijuana due to strict alcohol regulation. So I think it should be legalized and regulated like alcohol. Thoughts? |
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| + Steve | Nov 19 2011, 03:57 AM Post #2 |
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I wouldn't say the cons outweigh the pros I don't do any kind of drugs except prescribed drugs but marijuana I only even consider a drug becaue it's labelled as such Nicotine and Alcohol are far far worse they do no good at all except to people who are addicted Yeah being regulated would be fine I far rather the thought of kids 14+ sitting around chilled out on marijuana that stealing or smashing up cars due to alcohol People who are high on weed ar so much easier to deal with if they even manage to get aggressive all you need to do is push them on something soft and they'll go to sleep there and then Try that with a drunk guy and he'll create a right mess indeed |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Nov 19 2011, 04:18 AM Post #3 |
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With cannabis being illegal now a lot of crime is caused by it. I mainly mean in the producing nations like Mexico, where even in individual cities which aren't even major 1000+ people die a year through the drug cartels' violence. Also there's a demand for work in these places for work, so a lot of people turn to the cannabis industry for work(farming cannabis, transporting it, packaging it). So it's an international issue-I think the supplying countries need to work with the receiving countries it can't be a one sided thing. I think it should be illegal in the US/UK because it has negative effects on society(makes people lazy, and more importantly interferes with schoolwork), and is bad for health(a lot of tar). But it can also have medical uses(stress/pain relief) so I do believe it should be available for that if doctors believe it is an effective medicine. But like I said there are all these problems in the producing nations when it's illegal, which is why I think ideally the governments of those nations(eg-Mexico) should seize the cannabis fields and start up a hemp industry. This way the farmers and packagers/transporters etc will still have jobs, and more jobs will be made making hemp products(medicine, clothes, and there are many other uses I don't know about). Obviously getting rid of the cartels wouldn't be an easy job although I don't see it as impossible. If new jobs were promised via the hemp industry then the individuals involved in the cannabis trade because of the necessity for work would mostly support the government I think. And if the Cubans were able to kick out the mafia then I have hope for the same against drug producing organisations. That's how I feel at the moment. |
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| Optimus Banana | Nov 19 2011, 04:23 AM Post #4 |
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Yeah most bad things about marijuana are lies and twisted facts throw out by the government to cover up there failed attemp at a war on drugs. An example would be saying a joint of weed has more tar than a cigerette. While this is true, marijuana users only smoke about 5-6 joints a week while cigerette users smoke several a day. Also at the lazy part^^^ That's a lie. Not all marijuana smokers are lazy, a lot of smart/athletic people actually use it regularly. Micheal Phelps done it and he won a gold medal. Our founding fathers grew it and most likely smoked it. If you give a lazy d-bag weed he will still be a lazy d-bag. People wont get nausea (which pot relieves) and vomiting from not smoking it like cigerettes will. Edited by Optimus Banana, Nov 19 2011, 04:36 AM.
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Nov 19 2011, 04:58 AM Post #5 |
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Eh I'm hardly 1 to believe things about it straight off the bat. Like I know it doesn't cause cancer, but it is still bad for your health just like smoking anything. Not all cannabis smokers are lazy but it does make most people lazy I think. I also heavily doubt that Phelps is actually a weed smoker. More likely he just did it once or twice as a novelty going by his reaction, and well you can't really be an olympic athlete and smoke any drugs regularly. You need to be able to breathe, and for swimming it's no exception....you can actually swim faster with your head in the water. As for the founding fathers....prove that 1 as much as you can please. |
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| DanielSan | Nov 19 2011, 05:29 AM Post #6 |
 
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I am for it. Marijunana is a common drug of many people that are young. Not that I ever tried it but still. If people want to do it then they should. They are going to do it anyway if it is legal or not. So why not? Also it will reduce crime. Many people are dying over this. Look at what happen in America back in the 1920's. It didn't work then and it sure won't work now. |
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| Tim | Nov 19 2011, 10:57 AM Post #7 |
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Yes, cannabis is the most popular illicit drug in many western nations. These drugs (such as marijuana) work by acting on the two types of cannabinoid receptors, CB1 (located in the brain) and CB2 (located on immune cells). They facilitate the activity of the brain reward centre and the effects depend on the dose, the individual and the settings. High doses provide mainly a depressant effect while a lower dose also provides a stimulatory effect. It's acute effects are numerous and include the following: Objective: - elevated heart rate - conjunctival reddening - decreased muscle strength - increased food intake - impairment in memory, cognition and skill performance (although you feel confident and highly creative this is an illusion) Subjective: - initial euphoria - gradual onset of sedation - altered time perception - difficulty concentrating - hallucinations - depersonalization - anxiety, paranoia - nausea (and vomiting) While some of these may look useful I believe the negatives outweigh the positives and this combined with THC (Δ9 - tetrahydrocannabinol is the principle active agent in marijuana) being lipophilic (causes it to be rapidly taken up by the body lipids) makes the drugs clearance rate very slow due to low elimination. Tolerance develops to most effects and acute cognitive and psychomotor impairment is usually negligible in experienced users. Dependence to cannabinoids to develop with frequent chronic use and withdrawal symptoms do occur although there is some debate on the existence of a specific withdrawal syndrome. From this I feel that marijuana should not be legalized for general use. I have tried to give a fair and even account of the facts here to help other people who do not know as much on the subject make a decision for themselves. However as far as therapeutic use goes I believe it may have its advantages as long as there is the abuse potential is carefully maintained. It has potential for conditions with spasticity (spinal cord injuries / MS), movement disorders (Huntingtons, Tourettes, Dystonias and Parkinsons), nausea, appetite stimulation, conditions with pain, epilepsy and glaucoma. On the negative side however there is the issue with addiction, dependence, tolerance, euphoria, control of dosage, route of administration, anxiety and panic attacks, interruptions in memory formation, and decreased sperm count and testosterone. So while it is plausible that there might be some therapeutic value it would be a later option for most things and would need to be strictly controlled. As far as general use goes I believe i've made my opinion clear. It isn't something which should happen. |
  
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| Mihawk | Nov 19 2011, 05:40 PM Post #8 |
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Yea, I think if it's allowed as a medical accessory, then the drug rings may go out of business and all the marijuana would be strictly regulated and not as easy to get unless you have a medical reason. And even then you'd only be allowed amounts that won't allow you to abuse it based on prescription. |
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| Wolf | Nov 19 2011, 05:57 PM Post #9 |
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I've put a lot of thought in this myself. I use to use this lots of times and it's not harmful for you in any way. There's no type of harming products in there like cigarettes and it's completely natural. Beer is more harmful for you, along with all tobacco products. If the government grew it themselves and sold it with tax. The economy would grow tremendously. People always say how harmful and addicting this is. It's not. None of you can argue that. There's no way to physically get addicted to marijuana. You can get a craving but, some people get cravings for foods and candies, so, does that mean those should be illegal? Being a past user, and not having a single thing wrong with me, it aggravates me when people say it harms you and causes addiction. Not once was I ever addicted or harmed by it. In my opinion, I think it should be legalize but, that's just me. |
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| Optimus Banana | Nov 19 2011, 07:30 PM Post #10 |
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Exactly, most bad things said about it are by people who don't smoke it and believe what the goverment tells them. I know people who do it, one of whom runs track and cross country and they're in the top 5 fastest people in my grade. And they've smoked it for 3 years with their brother 2-3 times a week. |
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| + Green | Nov 19 2011, 09:23 PM Post #11 |
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Do you have a list and analysis for alcohol? If it wasn't already legal would you be ok with it being legal? Lots of people like to compare marijuana to alcohol so i'd like to know what you think. |
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| + Steve | Nov 19 2011, 10:16 PM Post #12 |
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Yeah you should just have to be over a certain age for it to be legal I think that's the main restriction there should be Most people just smoke it to have a good time in my experience(pretty much everybody here smokes it) I also don't know of anybody who's fallen ill because of it, compared to heavy drinkers or heavy smokers who all have serious ailments Its not nearly as bad as the media makes it out to be that much is obvious I know that wasn't aimed at me but if it were up to me alcohol would be illegal or at least more expensive an each drink would have less in it I've never seen any good come from alcohol, ever Doubt I ever will Doesn't marijuana only give you anxiety if you have a lot or if it's a bad batch? I'm pretty sure it helps anxiety Also a good way to lose weight I think with things like this it's better to loo to personal experience rather than what people who want to ban it tell you about it, because governments always tell the truth... |
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| Wolf | Nov 20 2011, 04:53 AM Post #13 |
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Finally someone who understands.. Weed doesn't affect you. I play basketball every day and never once get winded easily. I smoked even when I was on the team and I was starting every game. Proof enough? |
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| Copy_Ninja | Nov 20 2011, 08:06 AM Post #14 |
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I think having it illegal does a lot of harm actually. At the minute it's seen as a gateway drug and for good reason. I've seen far too many people start off with marijuana and then move on to harder and much more dangerous drugs. If it was legal, it would basically be the same as cigarettes. If someone can get it legally, they will and not involve themselves with dealers. Plus, if it was legal it could be government regulated (so it doesn't contain anything harmful like what you can get on the streets) and be taxed, thus raising money for the economy. If people want to smoke it, they will anyway. |
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| Tim | Nov 20 2011, 09:07 AM Post #15 |
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Not really. You're one person and you're in your prime. The facts are as I laid them out - this is information not form the government but from my degree and in particular this was in my pharmacology and toxicology paper. It does have addictive attributes and all those things and it is bad for you - personal experience is not enough to be able to judge something like this. The studies are what they are and the factual data on the compound is still the same. For those comparing to alcohol and tobacco you can't compare - they are different substances and are already legalised (whether they should be or not is another question altogether). They do different things and act on the body in different ways. This is like saying so and so got away with killing someone so therefore i'm going to be able to get away with beating this person to near-death. Different situations and much harder to compare than simply saying these are legal and therefore these should be too. Morphine used to be legal and was used all the time for basic pain relief before they released that is had many negative side effects. Green, funnily enough we also covered alcohol in our drugs of abuse lectures so here you go: Pharmacodynamics: Compared to many drugs alcohol has a low potency and a large dose is required to produce desired effects which leads to toxicity and side effects. The CNS effects of alcohol are dependent on the concentration of alcohol in blood. Variable duration of effects dependent on dose, drinking rate, gender, body weight etc Biphasic effects: Low doses - activation/ mild euphoria/ stimulates behaviour Higher dose - impairment - becomes noticeable with greater BACs (>0.10%) Acute effects: - Respiratory depression - Hypothermia (dilates peripheral blood vessels) - Impairment of memory & learning - Psychomotor impairment (ataxia)/relaxation - Nausea & vomiting Overdose: - Potentially fatal due to respiratory depression, choking. Long-term effects: - Dependence, liver disease, gastrointestinal disease, anaemia, CNS disturbance, depression Mechanism of Action: Binds to a subunit of the GABAA receptor and enhances activity of the inhibitory transmitter GABA → general CNS depressant effects. Decreases activity at glutamate receptors (NMDA) prevents calcium ions entering cell which normally activates the cell. NMDA receptors are located on neurons found in neural centers responsible for memory (i.e., hippocampus) - causes memory impairment. Pharmacokinetics: Absorption: Alcohol is water soluble / passive diffusion. GI tract via hepatic circulation (80%) and stomach (20%). Reaches the brain within 5 minutes. Peak blood conc within 30-90 mins (usually 40). Absorption varies with the beverage type and the presence of food. Distribution: Alcohol is distributed rapidly through body water accumulating in tissues with high water content. It readily crosses the blood brain and placental barriers. Metabolism: ~90% is metabolised. Constant rate of approx 7.5 g/hr. Skipped a lot of the technical details here as it doesn't matter as much  Withdrawl: Dependence to alcohol can occur following repeated administration. This manifests as increasing tolerance to the effects of alcohol, i.e. individuals need to take more to get the desired effect. If the individual stops drinking abruptly or drematically decreases their intake withdrawal may occur. This is characterised as a syndrome of CNS hyperactivity characterised by symptoms which range from mild to severe. There you go then ^^ From that compared to the information on cannabinoids it's pretty clear that they aren't really on the same level of problems and such - although some people do have issues with alcohol there are also a couple of drugs which affect the metabolism of it making it much easier to quit. As for smoking i personally believe it should be illegal as its so bad for your heath and that of those around you. ~Tim |
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