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| princevageta | Nov 18 2011, 07:25 PM Post #1 |
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Vegeta was believed to have a royal Blood-Line. I'm guessing this means that he would be naturally gifted with strength above most saiyans. Goku was a naturally gifted Saiyan, stronger than most. But remember, Goku died and was wished back to life. It's believed that when a saiyans fights gets beat up, and then is restored. They come back exponetially stronger. The only reason Goku beat Vegeta in their first match was becuase Goku learned the KaioKen from King Kai. His saiyan body could handle this technique at much higher than normal warriors could. Also leading to the reason Goku reached SS before Vegeta. It was becuase of the KaioKen pushing him to levels Vegeta could not yet reach. Always keeping him a step ahead. I would refuse to listen to any different opinion. Vegeta finally got an outside source of power like Goku when he became Majin Vegeta. Goku and Vegeta are evenly matched when they fight in the Buu Saga. Edited by Kamikaze Pyro, Dec 4 2011, 01:22 AM.
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| Daniel | Nov 18 2011, 07:34 PM Post #2 |
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I am sorry but i have never heard "vegeta" being called as "vageta" where did u get that from? (not trying to be rude) |
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| Piccolami | Nov 18 2011, 07:46 PM Post #3 |
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Yea but Goku could have obliterated him with SSJ3. Goku is just better than Vegeta. Nothing to do with outside source of power imo Goku's training is far better and more efficient than Vegeta's which allowed him to be one step ahead of Vegeta at all time in power and unlocking transformations. |
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| SS4 YogE | Nov 18 2011, 08:27 PM Post #4 |
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I would say that if it wasn't for Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobe, Vegeta would have killed Goku while in Oozaru. It was the Kaioken that made it that way. Pushed to the limits it had to be, his body actually didn't withstand the Kaioken. I think Goku reached SS before Vegeta because of the reasons he fought. Goku was always fighting to better himself(at the core) and never to just flat out end his opponent, unlike Vegeta. That's what I think gave his power the edge. |
| "Meaningless, huh?! What do you know of meaningless?! Spend most of your life ruled by another, watch your race dwindle to a handful, and then tell me what has more meaning that your own strength. I have in me the blood of a Saiyan prince; he is nothing but a joke, yet I've had to watch him surpass me in strength, my destiny thrown to the wayside. He... he's even saved my life as if I were a helpless child. He has stolen my honor, and his debts... must be paid!" | |
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| ChodeMaster | Nov 18 2011, 10:32 PM Post #5 |
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Technically I don't believe Goku actually won his first encounter with Vegeta, especially with the Kaio-Ken, it helped but in the end it was clearly a team effort. More to the point, I would assume the very first power "gap" that formed between Vegeta and Goku was between the Saiyan and Namekian Arc where, when Vegeta returned to the Freeza controlled planet he was restored to full strength and awarded the Near-Death-Saiyan-Boost and immediately left for Namek when he heard of the possibility of Freeza using the Dragon Balls before he could almost at the same time, Goku who was awarded the same bonus, albeit at quicker pace, (Senzu Bean) and ultimately in that instant, through time and space, both Goku and Vegeta', on the faces of separate planets, strengths were virtually unchanged. But it wasn't until Goku had left for Namek from Earth, while Vegeta was battling Freeza's minions, a majority being relatively weak and not adding much to Vegeta's overall power and experience, while training exceptionally hard within his spaceship under extreme quantities of multiplied gravity, did the first and most prominent gap appear. As for the Super Saiyan state race, Goku reached it, not because his body was ready for it, clearly indicated by the grotesque muscle growth during his first transformation on Namek, but because he was fueled pure rage and utter despair at the loss of his oldest and closest friend. Vegeta trained shortly after acknowledging the transformation of Goku (probably sooner in the Anime than the manga as in the Anime, Vegeta witnessed the post-transformation and in the manga Vegeta had only HEARD of it after the supposed death of Goku and Vegeta's revival and transportation to Earth) and gently eased his body in preparation of the transformation, initially to no avail it was not until Vegeta feared that Goku would always be stronger than him did he succeed in achieving the Super Saiyan state. Lastly, you are correct as it is undeniable that Vegeta attained equal ranking power (and a slight unfair advantage) during the Majin Buu arc when he allowed himself to be manipulated (even if he still had a majority control of his own thoughts and actions) by Babidi. However, it obviously wasn't long-lived as Goku had Super Saiyan 3 in stock... Although I don't think Goku, himself, considered it an actual... you know skill, being that it was attained in Other World where as using it was vastly easier then it is being under the binds of the living world. I don't know, I may have gotten off track a bit, but that's my analyzes on the gap between Goks and Vegeta. |
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| Wolf | Nov 18 2011, 10:37 PM Post #6 |
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I always believed that Goku just had more drive than Vegeta. Vegeta was stronger in my opinion. |
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| + KingOfAllSaiyans | Nov 18 2011, 10:41 PM Post #7 |
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I've come to accept the fact that Goku was just better. Vegeta is my favorite character, but he just didnt train as smart as Goku. |
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| Kblo247 | Nov 18 2011, 10:50 PM Post #8 |
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I think it was him having more common sense when it came to fighting. The common thing with Goku is that he fought, trained, ate, and slept. He replenished his body over and over again. Vegeta for example wasn't shown eating on Namek once. He only took one nap the whole time there which was right befor here Frieza fight. In the anime they show Goku on the way to Namek talking about the importance of taking baths, eating, and sleeping. In the chamber they show Vegeta being taken over by flames and constantly pushing his body. They show him on earth when trying to figure out how to ascend and have Trunks say that he had stood there for days without moving or speaking. Goku on the other hand made sure than he and Gohan rested, ate, and unlike Vegeta he knew not to go back in the chamber again so soon (Vegeta wanted to do 8 years in there straight after Piccolo got his day). Goku just took care of his body better and as a result got more out of it because he didn't over work it after learning his lesson from the kaioken x 3 and 4 |
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| + KingOfAllSaiyans | Nov 18 2011, 10:53 PM Post #9 |
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Couldnt of said it any better. |
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| dmbond | Dec 3 2011, 02:16 PM Post #10 |
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i can clearly see you are an arid vegeta fan...no harm..everyone has their own fav characters. coming to the topic i think there are a couple of reasons that made goku always stronger and it was definitely not becos,as some guy pointed out,just because he ate more!! the first reason is goku's nature....he is pure hearted and loves and forgives everything and this quality makes him a hero....and a hero ALWAYS wins....i cannot imagine a villain (vegeta) beating our hero to pulp and be off with what he wants...so naturally the creator of the series wanted GOOD to win and always be ONE STEP AHEAD of evil.....even though vegeta was more in a mediocre position between evil and good much later. also the reason that people had already harboured a little hatred towards him at the begining of the series when he and nappa came to destroy earth also made him an individual who was "supposed to be" weaker him than our hero for the sake of the series fans. next reason is as vegeta himself stated in boo saga that goku was better than him because he always had a reason to push him beyond all limits...his love towards others made him go beyond his capability and this made him a natural. plus if we take a look at endurance level vegeta is far inferior to goku...while goku can cling onto the fight however bad he is beaten up by his opponent he still manages to ooze out enough power to stand up and give a tough time for his opponent...vegeta on the other hand,even though at par with goku in power at times,still is weak in endurance department....as is witnessed by how quickly he gets beat up by his opponents. (broly,android 18,kid boo,fat boo,frieza,cell etc to name a few). plus as someone pointed out before that goku was just LUCKY to survive the fight between him and vegeta when the latter was in his oozaru form....yes,,,he is lucky...and yes he did get help from his friends but as vin diesel once said A WIN IS A WIN>>>IT DOESN'T MATTER IF U WIN BY AN INCH OR A MILE!! the same applies here!!who cares if goku had help...vegeta had his POWERFUL ARMOUR WITH HIM....had it not been for his armour he would have been pulverised with the kamehameha wave at 54,000 which he shot at vegeta. but all this does not mean vegeta is a looser..infact there were times that goku managed to save what he wanted to because of vegeta's help.....kudos for vegeta but all hail goku!! Edited by dmbond, Dec 3 2011, 02:23 PM.
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| Fourth Doctor Who | Dec 3 2011, 03:05 PM Post #11 |
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The reason why Son Goku beats Vegeta is because he's the protagonist of the series not Vegeta. Vegeta was antagonist in his own right besides Frieza the main antagonist of the series from beginning of Bardock until end of Trunks Saga. Imagine antagonist like Vegeta beaten a main protagonist like Son Goku would that make evil wins over good story-wise. When it's suppose to be good wins over evil story-wise. Kaioken Training and etc has nothing to do with it but their part of helping the protagonist like Son Goku to help him beat antagonist like Vegeta and Frieza. |
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Dec 3 2011, 06:01 PM Post #12 |
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First of all,Vegeta won against Goku in their first fight 1v1,he won against Goku but he lost against earth(z warriors). He also "won" the 2nd battle,though I wouldn't really call that a win because it was a sucker punch and Vegeta himself said they will continue,but he proved Goku is naive in battle and that he can beat him on equal PLs if they go ALL out.He COULD have killed him at that point. "Vegeta is hands down the best character in Dragon Ball Z. Goku is basically nursed throughout the whole *****ing show. He's the producer's *****. What is Vegeta? he is the Prince of all Saiyans. and the ultimate badass." A comment that I found on YouTube.I wouldn't really call Goku a ***** because I love Goku and Vegeta both(Vegeta a bit more ofc :D),but its true.If DBZ was logical and realistic,Vegeta would have been ALOT stronger than Goku and if it was even more realistic,Frieza would have killed them all on Namek etcetc |
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Dec 3 2011, 06:12 PM Post #13 |
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Goku is always ahead of Vegeta because he just has more natural talent...although Vegeta is a royal Super Elite and one of the most gifted Saiyans....Goku is like the destined one, the chosen one, he's like Jesus or something basically. |
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| + Clearin | Dec 3 2011, 06:17 PM Post #14 |
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I think it's because Goku just knows how to train better. This is kind of proven with the RoSaT. Both had the exact same training situation and the same time limit (Although Goku left a bit early) and Goku ended up stronger. I also don't agree with people who say Vegeta trains more, Goku's entire life is training just like Vegeta's. He misses events where everyone gets together just to train, stated by Bulma. |
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Dec 3 2011, 08:54 PM Post #15 |
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Vegeta trains more and even harder...Goku at least has his fun in the sun times But Vegeta still can't keep up with Goku...Goku should just have more natural talent. That's what separates them IMO. In the ROSAT he did much more in 10 months than what Vegeta did in 2 years (24 months)...plus on Namek he got bigger zenkais, etc. Just more natural talent IMO. |
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