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| Can Hiruzen Sarutobi be considered an antagonist at this point?; ? | |
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| Arkadom | Nov 16 2011, 09:13 PM Post #1 |
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If it wasent for him, Sasuke wouldnt have become major angst poster child, wouldnt have gone insane and Tobi's plan wouldnt be going as well, Orochimaru would have died much sooner, and alot of the bad things in the series wouldnt have happened or would have somehow been better off. Because of him Itachi became a hero beyond even death because of his determination to make sure Sasuke followed the right path, but this made Sasuke what he is now. And of course, Sasuke is the third largest antagonist in the series now. Can this be considered all bad on Hiruzen's part? If it were not for his decisions may the series have turned out differently? What are Your opinions on this? Edited by Arkadom, Nov 16 2011, 09:14 PM.
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| Ussj Future Trunks | Nov 24 2011, 10:53 AM Post #2 |
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itachi is more the cause of sasuke's villainy at this point. itachi never apologised for emotionally grounding sasuke into the dirt for years and brutally torturing him. |
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| + Steve | Nov 24 2011, 02:03 PM Post #3 |
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Oh I thought this would be what I randomly thought of earlier Hiruzen sealed part of Orochimaru's soul inside him so does that mean Orochimaru could come back in his body? If someone were to unseal that it could take over Kabuto I'd imagine Another thing about that the part of his soul that's out of him is pretty long but the Reaper cuts half of what is out why not all of it? If it had done that Orochimaru probably wouldn't be able to walk and he'd have been killed there and then saving not all but a lot of trouble I wouldn't say he's an antagonist but he caused a lot of big problems his sacrifice didn't do an awful lot except annoy Orochimaru lol |
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| + Byakko | Nov 24 2011, 08:25 PM Post #4 |
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Orochimaru's sealed inside the Sword of Totsuka. Kabuto has just merged part of his body with Orochimaru's dead one. Either way, Orochimaru had use of his hands once he switched containers at the end of Part 1. Hiruzen isn't a villain. He made mistakes, sure. I'd blame Itachi, and Danzou, more. Danzou, along with Hiruzen's advisors, were the one that planned the Uchiha massacre. Hiruzen Sarutobi was staunchly for negotiation. It'd be extremely out of character for him to do it. If Itachi had followed his orders, he'd have killed everyone - including Sasuke. Itachi pushing Sasuke's hatred of him to the point where he needed to seek out Orochimaru wasn't Hiruzen's doing. Sure, he had the oppertunity to kill Orochimaru, but he didn't, and you can't really blame him for that. He viewed Orochimaru like a Son, and he was a prime candidate for the 4th Hokage position. In my opinion, Sandaime is blameless for what's currently happening. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Nov 25 2011, 12:33 AM Post #5 |
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yeah i agree with everybody here hes a kage and he tried to do what was best for the village the stuff that happened were kinda out of his power hes so occupied like sasuke he was already some what crazy and stuff happens and he turned into a maniac Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Nov 25 2011, 12:33 AM.
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| SirParagon | Nov 25 2011, 12:33 AM Post #6 |
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Antagonist means actively going against the goals of the protagonist, he can't be considered an antagonist because he had good intentions and he's already dead.
Edited by SirParagon, Nov 25 2011, 12:33 AM.
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| Arkadom | Dec 12 2011, 09:33 PM Post #7 |
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Okay, but he can be considered a pseudo villain, or anti hero, if You will, because despite not having much control, he was hokage, he could have gone against it or at LEAST assigned a different Uchiha, Im not calling him a bad guy, Im saying his choices in life could have been better. Thats about it. |
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| + Byakko | Dec 12 2011, 10:59 PM Post #8 |
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An Anti-Hero is the person who does the job of being a hero without possessing the typical qualities of a hero. Like Han Solo. Hiruzen isn't like Han Solo. I get what you're saying, but I honestly disagree. I think he did his job well, and he made the best of what he could in that situation. Itachi valued the village over anything except Sasuke, so it's only logical to assume he'd spy on the Uchiha. Besides, Hiruzen never ordered the massacre. That was Danzou. |
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| Mihawk | Dec 12 2011, 11:20 PM Post #9 |
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If anything the only one that would remotely fit in that position is Itachi. Edited by Mihawk, Dec 12 2011, 11:20 PM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Dec 13 2011, 02:33 AM Post #10 |
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Itachi was the only one who would have done it really. His love of the village and peace was used against him. His choices could have been better, i'll agree there. He should have killed Orochimaru, probably should have done more to stop the massacre. He just made some mistakes, but there were others who contributed just as much. |
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