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| Tienshinhan (Piccolo.Jr saga) VS King Piccolo | |
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| Frostmourne | Nov 15 2011, 07:15 PM Post #1 |
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| + Clearin | Nov 15 2011, 07:37 PM Post #2 |
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I think Tien stomps. Tien saw Goku vs king Piccolo and assumed he could beat Goku after training with Kami. |
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| SSJ Ranulf | Nov 15 2011, 08:29 PM Post #3 |
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IMO, Tien uses multiform to make four of himself, and one of them beats King Piccolo in a fight similar to Goku vs. Tao (the 1st time). To add to the above (strong evidence), Piccolo Jr., who was stated to be several times King Piccolo's power, was impressed with Krillin and thought taking over the world wouldn't be easy after fighting him. Krillin and Yamcha (his pier, IMO), felt like giving up after seeing Tien in action against Tao. It's clear that Tien is far above Krillin, who impressed someone several times stronger than King Piccolo. |
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| POOHEAD189 | Nov 15 2011, 10:07 PM Post #4 |
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I think it would be much like Krillin vs. Piccolo. Tien couldn't do it blindfolded, but when he gets serious, King Piccolo doesn't really have much of a chance. |
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| NeoSSayajin | Nov 16 2011, 06:48 PM Post #5 |
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If we take serious the official Power Levels, then we have Tien at the start of DBZ at 250. King Piccolo [old]: ~ 200 King Piccolo [young]: ~260 Tien: ~230 But i have my doubts about Tien's official power level at the start of DBZ, i think that the 250 was his base and his full power may be around 300 - 325. My theory is that only Goku's and Piccolo's power were shown to grow since the end of DBZ, and Tien's, Krillin's, etc, power levels were left stable since the Piccolo's Junior Saga, leaving Tien to be at 250 at that time. Edited by NeoSSayajin, Nov 16 2011, 07:05 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 16 2011, 06:57 PM Post #6 |
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I've recently converted to a theory that allows the big jumps in power in DB and the levels given in early Z. Given the various jumps in power in DB, there's absolutely no way the beginning levels in Z make any sense, unless "multi-fold" to Toriyama meant less than what multi-fold actually means, and I don't think Toriyama was ignorant. The only possible explanation is that Goku and Piccolo's recorded levels were their resting levels, and that they used their full powers when they attacked, similar to how Goku fought Burter and Jeice. That would lower the Kamehameha multiplier to far less than 2x, allowing such instances as Vegeta's Pseudo Final Flash to do no harm to Recoome despite being a charged blast and the rather small-looking-on-paper gap they had to make sense. It would also allow Goku and Piccolo to be in the 600-700 range at full power, which is a good range for them IMO, although I haven't fully read DB in years. It also allows the other minor characters to have higher levels than what they were recorded as, too, which helps their power comparisons in DB make sense. |
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| SSJ Ranulf | Nov 16 2011, 11:04 PM Post #7 |
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I still don't think it works. The power scaling in Dragon Ball is crazy. Goku got many fold stronger against Tao, Krillin/Yamcha honestly thought they could beat him at the 22nd, Old Piccolo used less than half his power to crush Goku like a child (and, I think, tank his Kamehameha), he became young and increased his power many fold (iirc), Piccolo Junior was several times his power. I mean, that alone would be something like this: Goku: -21st Tournament: 10 -Post Korin: 40 -22nd Tournament: 55 -Holy Water: 630 -23rd Tournament: 2,700 Piccolo: -Old: 160 -Young: 600 -Majunior: 2,500 That's my take on it. Even though I think Goku/Piccolo were using only their resting Ki, it doesn't explain DB power scaling. I mean, I just got Majunior at 250x 21st tournament Goku, and I don't see where there are more shortcuts to take. Even if you got it down to 1/5 of that, x50, how weak do you think Goku was at the 21st tournament? Goku withstood bullets at the very start of DB, and they can oneshot farmer. IMO, bullets should be 10 (lol @ pl for bullets), and initial Goku should be at least 12. If he gets x1.5 from Roshi training, he's 18 at the 21st tournament. x50 for the impossibly (as far as I can tell) small increase to Majunior, and we've got 900, which is still just to high, as it should put Goku/Piccolo against Raditz around 1,000, IMO. Edited by SSJ Ranulf, Nov 17 2011, 03:13 AM.
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 17 2011, 04:26 PM Post #8 |
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I'm not sure whether Z-Fighters can sense power until, what, Kami training... ? If that's the case, the Tien was simply putting all of his eggs in the "training" basket. Maybe he was just confident that he had done his very best whilst training and that he was going to put that to the test against Goku, etc. @ DBZ powers vs Daizenshuu powers I believe that had come up once earlier, and I recall bringing up that perhaps Tenshinhan, Krillin, Yamcha, Roshi, etc were not at full strength per the readings, kind like how Goku/Piccolo's readings changed with the weights and their attacks. i.e. Daimao - 260, may, in fact, be a maximum reading. Where as, if Krillin - 206, had done Kamehameha, or, something fight-worthy, he may have outdone Daimao easily. Goku at 924 easily ends Daimao if 206 is a full power blast... if not, that would imply that Goku hasn't really grow much in power even from his fight with Daimao, despite us knowing that he has. So, if Tien at 250 whips out a Dodonpa, he'd probably pull a 810 out of the scouter. And Yamcha's Wolf Fang Fist would surely net him a 100. shrugs... So I suppose, Krillin/Tien would have either beaten him at Budokai 23 or at the start of DBZ. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 17 2011, 04:30 PM Post #9 |
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Tien and Yamcha seem to be able to sense Ki in the 23rd budokai: Chapter: 167, P8.2-3 Yamcha: “Wha…what is this? I can’t feel Goku’s presence at all…” Tenshinhan: “It’s completely disappeared…Chapa doesn’t seem to have noticed; he can’t win like that.” Kuririn: “Amazing…” Edited by Clearin, Nov 17 2011, 04:30 PM.
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| Kruegs Outlandish | Nov 17 2011, 04:39 PM Post #10 |
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Well, there you go . Knowing is half the battle.Then, yeah. Tien/Krillin probably have King Piccolo by now, and if King Piccolo's power is 260 by Daiz, then Tien (250) probably fires off 810 Dodonpas by Raditz's arrival. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 17 2011, 08:27 PM Post #11 |
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Well, I'm not all that versed in DB strength, and it appeared to make sense when it was partially explained to me on Neoseeker. I really need to grab some DB volumes and get "the whole story" instead of just going off what everybody else's opinions are. I don't see where Young Daimao increased many-fold though, looking over the Strength Checker. The most it says is he's on a different level than before, whatever that means in DB. I think Old Daimao was putting out somewhere around 40% of his power when he fought Goku, otherwise he probably would've said something like, "I wasn't even using a third of my power!" in order to create a bigger buzz. Chapter: 143, P12.3 Piccolo: “Hohhohhoh…You have no chance of winning, no matter how you struggle, and you can’t run away either. It seems all that’s left for you is the road to death. I’m still not even putting out half of my power. Too bad for you…so then, what will you do?” Chapter: 144, P9.2-3 Pilaf: “Um, hey…So if he regains his youth, he’ll be even more amazing…?” Piano: “Naturally. So much so that there’ll be no comparison [to how he is now].” Chapter: 150, P13.5 Karin: “Hmm…I hate to say it, but you probably can’t win against Piccolo Daimao no matter what you do…His strength is on a whole different level…” Ma Junior, however, was stated to be many times stronger than Old Daimao. Chapter: 168, P4.2-P.5.1 Goku: “Piccolo’s doppelganger, huh?...But his power is way greater than the previous Piccolo…Seems that he’s done some substantial training too…” Chapter: 182, P9.5-6, P10.1 Piccolo: “Truly Son Goku is nothing but an obstacle for me…Far more so than God, who had neglected his training…But this time I’ll definitely kill you…! I’ll tell you right up front that my power now is beyond comparison to what it was 3 years ago!” Chapter: 189, P5.2, P6.1 Piccolo: “You think you can win? There’s no way you can…! I’ve…I’ve…leveled up so that I’m now many times stronger than I was when I fought you 3 years ago…!” |
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| SSJ Ranulf | Nov 17 2011, 09:01 PM Post #12 |
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Oh derp. I was going off an old, bad translation, and I even knew better than that. My bad. Still, it comes out like this: -21st Tournament: 1 -Post Korin: 4 -22nd Tournament: 5 -Holy Water: 40 -23rd Tournament: 150 Piccolo: -Old: 18 -Young: 36 -Majunior: 144 Yeah, I don't think I could put it any lower than that. That's petty much taking every manga statement about huge increases in power at face value, and even undercutting some, IMO (with these numbers, Krillin/Yamcha would likely be about 3.5 at the 22nd, and just be hoping that Goku hasn't gotten any stronger), and making multi-fold = x4. I don't think I've got much bias in here. So if Goku at the 21st tournament is 10, then he's equal to some people's view of Raditz during the 23rd tournament. I just can't see the resting ki theory working. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 17 2011, 10:15 PM Post #13 |
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I'm not certain about your Super-God Water increase. Why 8x? Seems like a gigantic amount. |
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| SSJ Ranulf | Nov 17 2011, 10:38 PM Post #14 |
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I'm just trying to make sense of this: Goku (Post God Water) >= Young King Piccolo >>> Old King Piccolo >>> 50% King Piccolo > King Piccolo (vs. Goku) >>> Goku (22nd Tournament) That sounds like a massive increase, IMO. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 18 2011, 12:19 AM Post #15 |
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I thought the power Daimao used against Goku was his "less than half" power. Did he power up further before going to 100%? |
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