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SSJ3 Vegeta (pre Majin) vs. Fat Buu (All Out)
Topic Started: Nov 13 2011, 08:27 PM (1,219 Views)
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SSJ3 isn't just a simple multiplication. It is different for each character, it is a potential unlocking similar to gohan's unlocking by the elder kai. But i sure don't believe SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.
It's kinda silly to suggest that. Vegeta's all sad coz Goku can go SSJ3, so let's imagine Vegeta figures it out and goes ssj3....... and he's not any stronger.. lol k.
Edited by oodle, Nov 14 2011, 12:43 PM.
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oodle
Nov 14 2011, 12:40 PM
SSJ3 isn't just a simple multiplication. It is different for each character, it is a potential unlocking similar to gohan's unlocking by the elder kai. But i sure don't believe SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.
It's kinda silly to suggest that. Vegeta's all sad coz Goku can go SSJ3, so let's imagine Vegeta figures it out and goes ssj3....... and he's not any stronger.. lol k.
Not really, it's kind of like Vegeta figuring out SSJ2 and then realizing that Goku is still a lot stronger than him. There's not really much of a way around it as both Majin and SSJ3 unlock potential.
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Luke_93
Nov 14 2011, 12:47 PM
oodle
Nov 14 2011, 12:40 PM
SSJ3 isn't just a simple multiplication. It is different for each character, it is a potential unlocking similar to gohan's unlocking by the elder kai. But i sure don't believe SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.
It's kinda silly to suggest that. Vegeta's all sad coz Goku can go SSJ3, so let's imagine Vegeta figures it out and goes ssj3....... and he's not any stronger.. lol k.
Not really, it's kind of like Vegeta figuring out SSJ2 and then realizing that Goku is still a lot stronger than him. There's not really much of a way around it as both Majin and SSJ3 unlock potential.
Well there is the fact Vegeta took time off after Cell while Goku was implied to have not done so. In fact I know the manga says the gap was still there despite how hard Vegeta trained, but in the original anime when Gohan comments on Vegetas strength vs Pui Pui, Goku basically wonders what else did he expect with Vegeta having trained nonstop for 5 years (implying he kept an eye on him from other world).

Vegeta was already behind, but if you follow the anime line and notion that he was at least 70% of Goku at the games since he and Piccolo both felt 50 and knew he was holding back, you would have to conclude that Vegeta had to kill himself in 5 years training to even get to the same gap again, so potential was there. He just spent two years sitting in his butt burnt out from the aftermath of that battle, and we know saiyans can lose power if they don't stay active and train

Vegeta getting his potential unlocked after 5 years training from his resevations about being evil and killing innocents to become Majin, isn't the same as a ssj3 transformation to me. In fact I'd argue that Vegeta would have the advantage if both were to have become ssj3s around the same time, because he would find a way to maximize the body and form in the living realm. It would basically be a role reversal with the two as this time Goku would be in ascended form and Vegeta in a mastered form. Goku if he is dead would see his time on earth reduced greatly, and of he was living as seen with the Buu fight his body would be over stressed since the strain and energy loss is way different.

Just my opinion though as Vegeta has shown the ability to surpass Goku. He was stronger when they first met. He was stronger on Namek after his first zenkai and nap than Goku vs Ginyu without kaioken. He was stronger when Goku arrived back on earth in their base forms. He was the stronger SSJ after 3 years training. Goku passed him in the chamber because of how he trained, rested, and used Gohan as a partner. Vegeta wasn't just passed over because Goku was superior, in fact without kaioken in play, Goku was inferior more times than he was superior in relation to him during the story.
Edited by Kblo247, Nov 15 2011, 08:00 AM.
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I know this is hypothetical, but I was under the impression that SSJ3 was a transcendent form which could only be unlocked via the bodily limit-breaking potential of other-world or under the circumstance of fusion (which in itself creates a transcendent being).
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Nov 15 2011, 07:52 AM
Luke_93
Nov 14 2011, 12:47 PM
oodle
Nov 14 2011, 12:40 PM
SSJ3 isn't just a simple multiplication. It is different for each character, it is a potential unlocking similar to gohan's unlocking by the elder kai. But i sure don't believe SSJ3 Vegeta = SSJ2 Majin Vegeta.
It's kinda silly to suggest that. Vegeta's all sad coz Goku can go SSJ3, so let's imagine Vegeta figures it out and goes ssj3....... and he's not any stronger.. lol k.
Not really, it's kind of like Vegeta figuring out SSJ2 and then realizing that Goku is still a lot stronger than him. There's not really much of a way around it as both Majin and SSJ3 unlock potential.
Well there is the fact Vegeta took time off after Cell while Goku was implied to have not done so. In fact I know the manga says the gap was still there despite how hard Vegeta trained, but in the original anime when Gohan comments on Vegetas strength vs Pui Pui, Goku basically wonders what else did he expect with Vegeta having trained nonstop for 5 years (implying he kept an eye on him from other world).

Vegeta was already behind, but if you follow the anime line and notion that he was at least 70% of Goku at the games since he and Piccolo both felt 50 and knew he was holding back, you would have to conclude that Vegeta had to kill himself in 5 years training to even get to the same gap again, so potential was there. He just spent two years sitting in his butt burnt out from the aftermath of that battle, and we know saiyans can lose power if they don't stay active and train.
There's no way Vegeta was at least 70% of Goku at the Cell Games, not when Goku's full power blew his bowels clean out. And Vegeta didn't know Goku was holding back either; it's just an assumption that Piccolo did, since I don't think we get any information about his spectacular hearing in the manga.
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