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| Fat Buu (All Out) & SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) vs SSJ3 Goku (Living, All Out) | |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 14 2011, 08:11 PM Post #61 |
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I have a theory. SSJ2 Kid Gohan was shown not to have lightning after he was severely injured by Super Perfect Cell's attack IIRC. This could mean one of two things : 1. Lightning disappears if the person's severely injured 2. Lightning disappears when the persons' ki is below a certain level. I'd like to go with 2. I personally think that Kibito wasn't able to fully heal Gohan. I'm under the impression that he healed Gohan to around 50% - 75%. If Gohan's ki was around that level, he would be weak enough so lightning wouldn't be present. SSJ 2 : 100% - Full Power - Lightning present 75% - Lightning present 50% - Half Power - Lightning not present I'm speaking from memory here but didn't Gohan state that he ''lost half of his power'' when he saved Vegeta? |
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:14 PM Post #62 |
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Well comparing the hair to Dabura/Buu and Videl getting crushed/Goku just turned Sj3 (In fact, especially that scene, Gohan's bang looks fatter than usual) I honestly think there's a big enough difference for me to say his hair is SSj2. There's quite a few quotes backing up SSj2 And from a logical point Gohan should be SSj2. The Daiz that says he's SSj2 came out later too, so imo it's more likely to be right. Plus while I haven't seen the guide personally I was told that it didn't specifically say he was never SSj2 iirc, just that he didn't use it after a certain volume, which if you ask me is a much easier mistake to make than saying "Gohan was super saiyan 2 vs Dabura". A similar mistake came up with Vegetto I think, saying he appeared after Volume 42...the last volume :S I just use these things to make up my mind. If the hair was the only thing I had to go on and no lines/guides said he was SSj2 I may be more inclined to believe he was MSSj. Edited by Clearin, Nov 14 2011, 08:15 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 08:16 PM Post #63 |
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Gohan did say that he lost more than half his power, but he also regained lightning after Goku talked him into fighting again, so yeah. As for Kibito healing Gohan, he stated he couldn't heal Gohan all the way, but I don't think there was any indication he couldn't heal Gohan even half way. @TGZ: I think the Vegetto thing was a mistake on Herms' part, but I'd have to check...if Daizex would stop giving me a 500 error. Edited by Pyrus, Nov 14 2011, 08:18 PM.
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Nov 14 2011, 08:17 PM Post #64 |
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One Daiz has Gohan as SSJ2 agaisnt Dabura, another has him as SSJ against Dabura...it appears even TOEI was uncertain, lol |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 08:19 PM Post #65 |
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Toei didn't really participate in the daizenshuu. It was Shueisha and Bird Studio IIRC. Edited by Pyrus, Nov 14 2011, 08:19 PM.
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:19 PM Post #66 |
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In the anime it's very hard to tell since he does power up but nothing actually changes except his aura gets darker, but since Toei almost never puts sparks you can't really know. I don't get why Toriyama had to change Gohan's MSSj hair style, it's almost like he planned this. |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 08:20 PM Post #67 |
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Toei drew Goku with paler skin and sharper features, so maybe they did the same to Gohan. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:22 PM Post #68 |
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It happens at 7:31 in the vid. I meant to say his hair got darker >_> not his aura. I can't tell if it's a regular powerup or him turning SSj2 |
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| Kblo247 | Nov 14 2011, 08:22 PM Post #69 |
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Didn't Gihan say he felt stronger after being healed by Kibito, especially in the anime? |
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Nov 14 2011, 08:24 PM Post #70 |
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Didnt I already end this debate? Gohan only has 1 bang as SSJ1 here at the Budokai. ![]() ![]() He most certainly wasn't an SSJ2 here...and he has one bang. The one bang = SSJ2 for Gohan is not the case, obviously. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:25 PM Post #71 |
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No you didn't end it. And no one was arguing that 1 bang = SSj2, everyone knows that isn't true. But the one bang is shorter and fatter as a MSSj than when he's a SSJ2 when it gets thinner and longer. Edited by Clearin, Nov 14 2011, 08:26 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 14 2011, 08:28 PM Post #72 |
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Vizbig Volume 7 Chapter 251 : The Terrible Mystery Page 534 ''He's still not back at full power...his chi is immeasurable. I never thought there could be an earthling with such vast, pure energy...no wonder they wanted it!'' He makes it sound like he couldn't heal much past 70% imo. And I don't recall him saying about feeling stronger. Also, Gohan's TRUE full power in SSJ2 probably wasn't displayed against Kibito Gohan's real strength > What Kibito thinks his full strength is. |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 14 2011, 08:29 PM Post #73 |
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50% of ssj2 has no lighting because its as strong as a ssj1(at least by my multipares) wait..but gohan was a ssj2 when he fought buu? if he was at 50% after kibito healed him that would make him as strong as his 100% healed ssj1, which might explain why he had no lighting..
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Nov 14 2011, 08:30 PM Post #74 |
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I can't tell the difference at all betwen the bang on SSJ and SSJ2 Gohan....here's SSJ2 Gohan a few minutes later. ![]() Ohh what do you know, he has lightning...like all other SSJ2s, lol. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:31 PM Post #75 |
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I agree which is why I think these lines: Chapter: 470 (DBZ 276), P5.2-4 Context: Kaioshin says the situation isn’t completely hopeless Kibito: “Huh…!? You can’t mean…Does this have anything to do with Son Gohan…?” Kaioshin: “That’s right…His power is far beyond our imagination. If we took it and changed it into something even more unreal, he might be able to surpass Majin Boo…” Kibito: “Wh-what!? That can’t be…” Kaioshin: “You didn’t see how amazing those 3 Saiyans were, so you probably couldn’t imagine…” Chapter: 471 (DBZ 277), P10.2-4 Kaioshin: “I want Gohan to use the Z Sword to defeat Majin Boo. Knowing him, he should definitely be able to use it.” Kibito“A-are you serious, Lord Kaioshin…?!! There’s no way that a human or the like would be able to use the Z Sword!! That legendary sword which not merely myself, but numerous Kaioshins were utterly unable to handle…” Kaioshin: “You were dead, Kibito, so you didn’t get to see Gohan here’s unbelievably tremendous power.” mean Gohan was a SSj2. Kaioshin speaks about a power Gohan used that Kibito has never seen. Kibito has seen SSj2 Gohan (Most likely Suppressed). Kaioshin would have never said either of those lines if Gohan was a MSSj because then he's trying to make Gohan sound strong when he's weaker than what Kibito has already seen Edit: Or maybe he wasn't suppressed at all agaisnt Kibito and the extra power came from Gohan getting angry (He said he was angry but not like he was before) Either way those lines don't work if Gohan was MSSj.
It's thinner and longer. Check when Goku turns SSj3, it's especially noticeable then (Gohan appears in 3 panels just after Goku finishes transforming) Edited by Clearin, Nov 14 2011, 08:34 PM.
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