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| Fat Buu (All Out) & SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) vs SSJ3 Goku (Living, All Out) | |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 14 2011, 07:23 PM Post #46 |
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remember gohan has a LOT of potential, you all know how strong he was as "ultimate gohan"(althougt that was after z sword training that made him much much stronger) i think goku meant that if gohan get angry some of his hidden potetial will realease in his ssj2 form and he would be much stronger than that, stronger than ssj2 buu arc goku most likely, since vegeta said that if gohan gets angry he would be the strongest of all of them. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 14 2011, 07:27 PM Post #47 |
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gohan punched cell before the beam struggle. how was nappa's lightning yellow in a black and white manga? explain that one. SPC didn't have a "pseudo ssj2", he was strong, so he had lightning. as for buffing, that's not even a transformation, it's a technique. Roshi was the first to be shown doing it, then Frieza, the Vegeta, then Trunks, then Cell, then Goku, then Cell again. as for durations, how do you know how long it was? it's a manga, pages don't have clocks on them to tell you how long something is. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 14 2011, 07:32 PM Post #48 |
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wtf? I dont remember any scene in the manga of gohan punching spc, where did u took it from???
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 07:33 PM Post #49 |
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Gohan didn't punch SPC. He punched PC. He was missing lightning there, though, so Lunar's point still stands.
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| Muhahahaha | Nov 14 2011, 07:37 PM Post #50 |
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mm ok, I thought lunar was meaning to spc because he said "before the beam struggle" |
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Nov 14 2011, 07:37 PM Post #51 |
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Cell showed he had a "pseudo USSJ2"....when he went into a form that looked just like Trunks USSJ2....now he's got a form that looks like Gohan's SSJ2..btw he's part Saiyan ya know. Freeza's and Roshi's buff forms weren't similar to the ones Cell and the Saiyans did in the Cell arc..which increases power greatly but reduces speed. It's called SSJ grade 3 or what a lot of fans title USSJ 2. Gohan never physically touched SPC so I don't know what you are talking about. And All your examples of "lightning" were garbage dude.
it's common sense...plus there are colored re releases of the manga....and the anime is always a good thing to go by when the manga is uncertain about things.
I don't see what stands...lightning actually flashes..so there are times where you could freeze frame something and there will be no lightning because it's flashing. Common sense here guys. Edited by Victorious, Nov 14 2011, 07:39 PM.
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 07:41 PM Post #52 |
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I'll upload a bunch of pics: MSSj: Spoiler: click to toggle SSj2 Hair (Tournament): Spoiler: click to toggle Dabura fight: Spoiler: click to toggle Buu fight: Spoiler: click to toggle Edit: removed side shots due to lack of SSj2 from the side Edited by Clearin, Nov 14 2011, 07:55 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 07:43 PM Post #53 |
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It could be a matter of distance though. The two SSjin 2 shots are fairly close, while the MSSjin shot is a full view of Gohan's body. These two pictures match up fairly well aura-wise, and the hair appears to be the same as well. Spoiler: click to toggle Both are different from this. Spoiler: click to toggle
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 07:49 PM Post #54 |
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Edit: Okay it doesn't seem there's a pic of SSj2 Gohan close up from the side if you only count the tournament scene
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 14 2011, 07:53 PM Post #55 |
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Izanagi!
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At the point of the Boo Saga, Lightning means nothing. There are two types of lightning : 1. Lightning that is a unique trait of a transformation 2. Lightning that is used to display a massive amount of energy. Category 1 (Transformation Trait) : SSJ2, SSJ3/ Category 2 (Output of power/Examples) : Nappa, Super Perfect Cell, Super Vegetto. A Zenkai has NEVER warranted lightning before, so Cell's lightning must fall under Category 2; a massive output of power. Cell didn't have any Pseudo form. Buffing yourself up isn't a transformation. Trunks just did what Master Roshi did but he was a SSJ at the time, thus people decided to call it a transformation. Even if it wasn't exactly the same, it was extremely similar. NEVER go to the anime for troubles like this, they just cause more confusion than necessary. |
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 07:58 PM Post #56 |
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Okay so the confirmed times for MSSj are: When Videl is getting beat Pulling out the Z sword And then when Goku turns SSj3 The confirmed times when Gohan is SSj2: Tournament scene If you compare the MSSj scenes to the Dabura/Buu fights I just think it looks closer to SSj2 than MSSj. What site do you get the HQ images from, Kamikaze? |
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 08:00 PM Post #57 |
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I personally go by Goku's demonstration to Babidi and Boo.![]() I mean, he doesn't say "This is SSjin 2 if you're as powerful as I am", so I'm not entirely sold on the idea that lightning equals a high power output.
I upload them from the manga I "received". Has anybody compared Gohan's facial features from form to form? I noticed with Goku, his features become more angular and sharper. Is this the case for Gohan (and Vegeta)? Edited by Pyrus, Nov 14 2011, 08:02 PM.
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| + Clearin | Nov 14 2011, 08:03 PM Post #58 |
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Oh. Well I just think there's a clear difference in the bangs between the 3 confirmed MSSj scenes and the Dabura/Buu fight. While it's not exactly 100% consistent it certainly looks thinner than the MSSj scenes 99.9% of the time. |
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Nov 14 2011, 08:06 PM Post #59 |
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*Super Saiyan 2 always has lightning: It's true, they do. It was put there to make the form unique from the regular Super Saiyan, to show that it was far superior to anything else ever labeled before. In other words, it was there for a cause. A few examples: Gohan vs. Cell: Gohan at the Budokai: (only in front of Kibito) Goku vs. Majin Vegeta: Vegeta vs. Kid Buu All of these guys had flashing currents of lightning..just because for a few seconds Gohan while Punching Cell or Majin Vegeta against Buu/Goku didnt have "a flash" of lightning doesn't negate that they were shown with flashing currents of lightning for the majority of the time. With Gohan against Dabura and Fat Buu it's not even close...there's no lightning anywhere. whatsoever. As for the Hair That's the confusing part about it. When Gohan fought Goten in training, there were two spikes of hair covering his foreheard, instead of one. This, is the single, and only piece of 'counter evidence' there is that supposedly proves Gohan to be a SSJ2 against Dabura. But when Gohan loses control of his anger and transforms into a Super Saiyan (not SSJ2) at the Budokai when Spopovitch is beating the crap out of Videl he only had one bang as well. That was the first time we see that Toriyama changed the design of Gohan's hair whilst in Super Saiyan. He kept it this way for Gohan's battles with Dabura and Majin Buu. So how can we be for certain Gohan was not an SSJ2 at that instance of the Budokai when he had one bang? #1: Spopovitch and Yamu. They were out to find Gohan and drain him of his energy, in an effort to revive Majin Buu. When Gohan turned SSJ2 against Kibito, their device almost exploded upon Gohan's transformation, and subsequently, he was attacked by Yamu and Spopovitch, and they drained him of his energy. This transformation I referred to, took place before Gohan was drained of his energy. But it didn't cause Yamu and Spopovitch to attack him, so no SSJ2, not yet. #2: Kibito and the Supreme Kai. The instant Gohan transformed into a SSJ2 right in front of them, they were completely in awe, they never could have grasped that a mere mortal could possess this much sheer power. There was no such reaction when Gohan turned SSJ for the first time, when he was about to break up the Spopovitch-Videl fight was there? So Gohan's hairstyle, from the Budokai onwards, was almost identical as SSJ and SSJ2. I say almost because if you really look at the two scans, and pay close attention to the small details, you'd notice that as a SSJ2, Gohan's hair has a few more spikes. But I can understand not everyone would notice this at first sight. The only thing that seperates the form is the lightning, as is very clearly shown.
That doesnt even make sense....unless you think Nappa >> pre Zenkai Perfect Cell, lol But Nappa's lightning is much different...especially if you look in the anime...it's yellow and is nothing like the flashing whitish-blue lighting of SSJ2. Edited by Victorious, Nov 14 2011, 08:12 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Nov 14 2011, 08:09 PM Post #60 |
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I think the bang he has against Boo's egg (can't remember the actual fight) looks almost exactly like the one he has against Kibito, but I think each instance they're all pretty similar in length. |
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