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Fat Buu (All Out) & SSJ/SSJ2 Gohan (Post Z-Sword) vs SSJ3 Goku (Living, All Out)
Topic Started: Nov 12 2011, 07:33 PM (4,198 Views)
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Get in the way? I think he could at least annoy Fat Buu for a few seconds, similar to what Vegeta did against Kid Buu. I don't think he'd be negative utility, unless your saying that Goku would risk everything to protect him.
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Nov 12 2011, 11:52 PM
Adding Majin Vegeta would be no help to Goku. He'd just get in the way.
Disagree. Vegeta is smarter than Gohan and much sharper. He can hold off Gohan imo long enough for Goku to blast Buu maybe with an instant Kamehameha and then they work together to overwhelm Gohan
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I really don't think so. Gohan's got way too much power to be meddling with Vegeta. One shot and Vegeta's a goner.

And Vegeta annoying Pure Boo was filler, so unless you're counting filler, I stand firm.

SSjin 3 Goku: 100
Majin Boo: 75
SSjin 2 Gohan (post-sword): ~75
SSjin 2 Vegeta: ~25
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Without being enraged, Gohan would never one shot Vegeta. He just wouldn't go after that hard nor would Vegeta just stay daown, since he keeps coming in the anime and manga unlike the movies. Nothing Gohan dished out could be worse than Kid Buu, yet Vegeta without full access to his ki kept getting up
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Nov 13 2011, 04:17 AM
Without being enraged, Gohan would never one shot Vegeta. He just wouldn't go after that hard nor would Vegeta just stay daown, since he keeps coming in the anime and manga unlike the movies. Nothing Gohan dished out could be worse than Kid Buu, yet Vegeta without full access to his ki kept getting up
So everybody but Gohan is bloodlusted pretty much? I do say, that sucks. Still, bloodlusted or not, Gohan's got enough skill for his power to knock Vegeta out of the game easily. He's at least around 4x stronger.

Vegeta stayed down in the manga.
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Nov 13 2011, 04:21 AM
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Nov 13 2011, 04:17 AM
Without being enraged, Gohan would never one shot Vegeta. He just wouldn't go after that hard nor would Vegeta just stay daown, since he keeps coming in the anime and manga unlike the movies. Nothing Gohan dished out could be worse than Kid Buu, yet Vegeta without full access to his ki kept getting up
So everybody but Gohan is bloodlusted pretty much? I do say, that sucks. Still, bloodlusted or not, Gohan's got enough skill for his power to knock Vegeta out of the game easily. He's at least around 4x stronger.

Vegeta stayed down in the manga.
Nobody is bloodlusted. Everyone is roughly in character, but all are fully determined to win. If Gohan feels he needs Vegeta out of his way, he'll move him. He'll just do it in a way that fits Gohan's character (so probably nothing advanced, like tossing him through the sun, but more like just punching him out).

I agree that Gohan would crush Vegeta very easily. However, canonically, Vegeta did OK against Fat Buu: he launched an offensive, took a few hits, got saved, and was still alive. I think he could slow down Buu, for a short time. Enough that Goku just might be able to overwhelm Gohan. I really don't think Goku after beating Gohan has a prayer against Buu, but it's something to consider.

If Vegeta does fight Gohan, I don't think it will work. Gohan is loyal to his allies (saved Vegeta several times despite not liking him, for example), and would likely go out of his way to save Buu by just rushing past Vegeta and attack/distracting Goku. Buu, on the other hand, seem oblivious to me, and I think he'd be more considered about the immediate "threat" Vegeta presents to him than his friend. Buu can't sense Ki, so I imagine that he'd figure on Gohan beating Goku.
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fat buu was just playing around with vegeta. also, gohan's IC "move somebody" method is a few quick melee hits, a ki spam, and then a big blast. vegeta won't have the power to withstand any of those 3. vegeta survived his fights with buu because buu toyed with him. gohan doesn't toy with anyone (except cell).
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You raise a good point, lunar. This is why I think Vegeta would do much better to face Fat Buu: I think he could waste a bit of Fat Buu's time.

I also think that Vegeta was one of the most durable fighters in the manga: he withstood a huge pounding on earth, did a little to resist Monster Zarbon, was able to get one last "screw you" blast to Recoome after betting mauled, survived Frieza's brutal assault long enough to say farewell to Goku, got up against Cell after getting pwnd by him and fired another attack against him that was fairly effective, took a pounding from Fat Buu and was able to get back up, and finally took a beating from Kid Buu in SSJ2, and then got up and stalled him in base, while still surviving. Point is, I think Vegeta is a tough customer, and would do better than most other people than would, and I think he could contribute, at least a little, to Goku's chances of wining.
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Fat buu:500
ssj gohan(post z sword): 250
ssj2 gohan(post z sword) 500
SSJ3 goku(full power) 820
even their combined strengh wont be enough...
Majin vegeta:140 he wont help lmao.
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Nov 12 2011, 08:05 PM
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Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan

wait wut :o_O:

I say the team wins but I don't think Gohan was close to Majin Buu
Post Zeta sword Gohan is actually close to Fat Buu as Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan 2.


Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: after the Z Sword breaks
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”

Kaioshin says SSJ, not SSJ2...and Goku is uncertain if Gohan is GREATER than Fat Buu..so Gohan should be rivaling him to say the least.

Its very possible SSJ2 post Zeta sword Gohan is far far stronger than Fat Buu....and even SSJ3 Goku.
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Nov 14 2011, 05:56 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 08:05 PM
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Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan

wait wut :o_O:

I say the team wins but I don't think Gohan was close to Majin Buu
Post Zeta sword Gohan is actually close to Fat Buu as Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan 2.


Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: after the Z Sword breaks
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”

Kaioshin says SSJ, not SSJ2...and Goku is uncertain if Gohan is GREATER than Fat Buu..so Gohan should be rivaling him to say the least.

Its very possible SSJ2 post Zeta sword Gohan is far far stronger than Fat Buu....and even SSJ3 Goku.
kaioshin has never heard the term ssj2. he doesn't know the difference. for example, he referred to ssj2 gohan at the budokai as ssj.

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.5
Context: Vegeta and Goku talk about Dabra not being that great
Kaioshin: “Un-unbelievable. Is this ‘Super Saiyan’ thing really this great?...Come to think of it, it was quite hard to stop Son Gohan from moving after he became a Super Saiyan…And even that might not have been his full power…”
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Not to mention Goku wondered if Gohan would win, if SSj Gohan was comparable to Fat Buu then SSj2 would be far above making Goku's statement kinda useless.
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Nov 14 2011, 06:16 PM
Victorious
Nov 14 2011, 05:56 PM
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Nov 12 2011, 08:05 PM
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Fat Buu >= SSJ2 Gohan

wait wut :o_O:

I say the team wins but I don't think Gohan was close to Majin Buu
Post Zeta sword Gohan is actually close to Fat Buu as Super Saiyan, not Super Saiyan 2.


Chapter: 479 (DBZ 285), P5.2-4
Context: after the Z Sword breaks
Gohan: “But…thanks to that, my arm strength has increased a lot. That Z Sword was incredibly heavy, after all…Perhaps this was what they meant by me obtaining the greatest power in the world.”
Kaioshin: “I-I get it…If he’s acquired that much power in his regular state, then if he becomes a Super Saiyan it will become an even more substantial power-up…! Ye-yeah! That’s it! That’s definitely the greatest power in the world…!”
Goku: “…But…Is he greater than Majin Boo?...I wonder…”

Kaioshin says SSJ, not SSJ2...and Goku is uncertain if Gohan is GREATER than Fat Buu..so Gohan should be rivaling him to say the least.

Its very possible SSJ2 post Zeta sword Gohan is far far stronger than Fat Buu....and even SSJ3 Goku.
kaioshin has never heard the term ssj2. he doesn't know the difference. for example, he referred to ssj2 gohan at the budokai as ssj.

Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.5
Context: Vegeta and Goku talk about Dabra not being that great
Kaioshin: “Un-unbelievable. Is this ‘Super Saiyan’ thing really this great?...Come to think of it, it was quite hard to stop Son Gohan from moving after he became a Super Saiyan…And even that might not have been his full power…”
Yeah but both Gohan and Goku know that SSJ2 is different and define and describe it as "surpassed Super Saiyan" or "Super Saiyan 2" and they don't correct Kaioshin. Goku doesn't correct Kaioshin in his assessment of Gohan's power. Plus it seems Gohan needs rage to do SSJ2 so I doubt Goku was factorring in Gohan's rage.

Gohan

Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P3.2
Context: before Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan 2
Gohan: “Well then, I’ll become one, just like you want…Though I don’t know why…To top it off, should I go so far as to become a Super Saiyan that has surpassed the Super Saiyan wall?]”


Goku

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P3.3-8, P4.1, P7.5
Goku: “First, this is my regular state. This is Super Saiyan. Then this is what I showed your before, a Super Saiyan that has surpassed Super Saiyan…’Super Saiyan 2’, you could call it. [ ] And so…[ ] This…Ev-even further surpasses that…[ ] …This is Super Saiyan 3. Sorry that took so long. I’m still not used to this transformation.”


Goku is likely factoring regular old Super Saiyan IMO.

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Not to mention Goku wondered if Gohan would win, if SSj Gohan was comparable to Fat Buu then SSj2 would be far above making Goku's statement kinda useless.


Yeah but Gohan can't fight as an SSJ2 without some sort of rage catalyst. He was SSJ against Dabura, Fat Buu, etc...so i doubt Goku is factoring SSJ2.
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Not to mention Goku wondered if Gohan would win, if SSj Gohan was comparable to Fat Buu then SSj2 would be far above making Goku's statement kinda useless.


Yeah but Gohan can't fight as an SSJ2 without some sort of rage catalyst. He was SSJ against Dabura, Fat Buu, etc...so i doubt Goku is factoring SSJ2.
Gohan being SSj or SSj2 is a pretty big debate among fans so I wouldn't really say he was either of them as a fact.

Goku did however tell Gohan that he needed to be angry like he was agaisnt Gohan to beat Dabura/Fat Buu despite Gohan turning SSj2 just a few hours earlier so he most likely wasn't talking about Gohan's access to Super Saiyan 2 but rather the rage boost that he might have got agaisnt Cell. Nothing really suggested Gohan needed to be angry to turn Super Saiyan 2 during the Buu arc and he seemed pretty calmed down before doing it for Kibito.
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^^^ well as long as you agree Gohan was SSJ against Dabura and Fat Buu. I don't really care if it's a debate amoungst fans..it's a noobish debate. He's clearly drawn as an SSJ...saying he's SSJ2 is like saying Vegeta was USSJ against Pui Pui or Goku was SSJ3 against Android 19. It's just flat out making things up.

And he was angry against Kibito...just a few moments earlier he was steaming when Videl got beaten to a pulp by Spopovich.


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Nothing really suggested Gohan needed to be angry to turn Super Saiyan 2 during the Buu arc and he seemed pretty calmed down before doing it for Kibito.


So why does he not go SSJ2 against Fat Buu or Dabura? He needed anger to go SSJ2 against Perfect Cell...so I don't see how it's any different in the Buu arc. It's suggested he never even trained during the 7 years off...he might not have gone SSJ2 a single time for 7 years before Kibito.
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