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MSSJ Gohan (Movie 8) Vs. Initial Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 11 2011, 04:06 PM (1,024 Views)
* Yu Narukami
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MSSJ Goku (Movie 8) was shown to be as strong as he was in Canon, at least I like to think of it like that. Who wins?
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Toei Animation has focused more on Goku's power and thus has made Gohan weaker than Goku by a wide margin.
Goku is a lot stronger than his other counterpart, I have him at least 1.35 times stronger than his cannon counterpart.
MSSJ Goku : 13,500,000,000.
MSSJ Gohan : 10,000,000,000.
I have Gohan as strong as Goku's cannon power when he fought Cell.
Initial Perfect Cell should be 2 times weaker than Gohan.
Initial Perfect Cell : 5,000,000,000.
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Gohan takes this with relative ease/stomps.
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movie 8 gohan = cell games gohan. you might as well ask mssj gohan (cell games) vs. initial perfect cell. gohan didn't get weaker just because broly focused more on goku. broly was so powerful, they were all equally weak before him.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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So that's it alright, then I think Gohan stomps more badly than before.
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"Hold On!! The Satan Corps' Great Riot" / "Losers Fight First" (Episode 176) aired on March 3rd 1993.

Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan aired on March 6th 1993



"The Strongest Successor... His Name is Gohan" / "Faith in a Boy" aired on April 14th 1993.

The movie was aired before Gohan was shown to be stronger than Goku. And I don't believe that Goku is haxxed in this movie, I believe they made Gohan weaker than Goku because that was what was perceived at the time. Meh, I don't know.
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The manga chapter where Gohan was said to be stronger probably came out much earlier, I cba checking though.
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Dunno what to say after what you said Gohan, I think that they made Gohan the weakest Z-Fighter there.
Goku >> Trunks > Vegeta > Piccolo >> Gohan.
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Gohan is a bit stronger than Goku. Just as powerful as they are in the sagas. Goku is pretty much equal with supressed Perfect Cell so, Gohan really stomps here.
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Nov 11 2011, 09:31 PM
"Hold On!! The Satan Corps' Great Riot" / "Losers Fight First" (Episode 176) aired on March 3rd 1993.

Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan aired on March 6th 1993



"The Strongest Successor... His Name is Gohan" / "Faith in a Boy" aired on April 14th 1993.

The movie was aired before Gohan was shown to be stronger than Goku. And I don't believe that Goku is haxxed in this movie, I believe they made Gohan weaker than Goku because that was what was perceived at the time. Meh, I don't know.
The volume revealing Gohan to be stronger than Goku was released in Shonen Jump December 28, 1992, well before the movie was released.
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I'm of the belief that Gohan was weaker than he was in canon in the Broly movie: Goku took more hits than he did, iirc. However, if this in Initial Perfect Cell, as in the one that 16 thought was weaker than Ascended Super Saiyan Vegeta, then Gohan kicks him, causing a tear in reality that sucks much of the universe in it. I still would think that movie 8 Gohan >> 50% MSSJ Goku, who I think was well about USSJ Trunks.
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MSSJ Gohan in this movie should be stronger (pre TOEI bull***** power up) than MSSJ Goku..just like in the canon timeline/manga.

Why? Because Kaio-sama says SSJ Broly might be even stronger than "you guys"...not Goku....this he says TO Goku. Goku would have been addressed singularly by Kaio-sama if he was stronger than Gohan. In all the movies if Goku is the strongest he's almost always addressed that way.

(R)SSJ Broly > MSSJ Gohan > MSSJ Goku >> SSJ Vegeta...seems to be the case IMO.


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MSSJ Gohan in this movie should be stronger (pre TOEI bull***** power up) than MSSJ Goku..just like in the canon timeline/manga.

Why? Because Kaio-sama says SSJ Broly might be even stronger than "you guys"...not Goku....this he says TO Goku. Goku would have been addressed singularly by Kaio-sama if he was stronger than Gohan. In all the movies if Goku is the strongest he's almost always addressed that way.

(R)SSJ Broly > MSSJ Gohan > MSSJ Goku >> SSJ Vegeta...seems to be the case IMO.
But Goku did much better against Broly than Gohan did, if memory serves. This should be considered very importantly in any argument about the characters powers. And really, Kaio-Sama's statement works perfectly with Goku as the strongest.

MSSJ Goku: 100
Z-Fighters (effective level fighting as a team, including Goku): 130
RSSJ Broly: 150

The Z as a team would totally ruin Goku, but even together, they are trash against RSSJ Broly.

As for how Goku is addressed, I think that's reading to much into it. I don't feel like it was strongly implied that just because Kaio addressed him with slightly different terminology it is absolute proof that something is amiss.
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I have a theory on this.

Broli concentrated on Son Goku, and I think it was made clear from the very beginning that Broli wanted real payback, because of the traumatic experience he got from Kakarotto (Son Goku). So obviously, Broli wanted to torcher Son Goku, in any way he could, and there is nothing worse then seeing his own flesh and blood hanging lifelessly from a tower.
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But Goku did much better against Broly than Gohan did, if memory serves.


Say what? Goku couldn't even put a dent in Broly..Broly didn't even get scratched by Goku's KHH.

They're all fodder to LSSJ Broly, the fact Broly spent more time toying with and torturing Goku means nothing. It's like saying Gohan is stronger than Vegeta because Recoome tortured Gohan more.
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Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.

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But Goku did much better against Broly than Gohan did, if memory serves.


Say what? Goku couldn't even put a dent in Broly..Broly didn't even get scratched by Goku's KHH.

They're all fodder to LSSJ Broly, the fact Broly spent more time toying with and torturing Goku means nothing. It's like saying Gohan is stronger than Vegeta because Recoome tortured Gohan more.
Indeed, all Son Goku had was more play time with Broli.
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