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| Base Goku (End of Z) Vs. Initial Perfect Cell. | |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 07:01 PM Post #31 |
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He actually would have to if he thought that that they would beat everyone including Vegeta etc. Vegeta had SSJ2+years of training. He made the mistake of thinking he had the technique as well so it only makes sense. So while it's not known what Goku's estimate of Uub was exactly, the estimate was around above Majin Buu, and Vegeta SSJ2 after years of training. After fighting Uub, he confirms the estimate is correct. I'm still not a fan of the theory though. Goku base jumping to SSJ2~ tier is kind of crazy for just Earth training. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 10 2011, 07:15 PM.
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 09:42 PM Post #32 |
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Where does Goku state Ubuu could beat everyone? I passed through those pages a couple times and I can't find it. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 11 2011, 04:31 PM Post #33 |
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Izanagi!
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With no training, Goku probably expected Oob to be as strong as 100% Frieza or somewhere around that area. Remember, Goku was expecting a 10 year old kid, he wouldn't be naive enough to expect him to be as strong as Pure Boo. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 11 2011, 07:58 PM Post #34 |
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goku told Mr. Satan that someone besides buu or the z fighters might win. some people take this to mean that uub => everyone. but goku has also mentioned that uub has always been hiding his power. goku can't know how powerful uub is before he fights him, but he expects uub to be strong in general. uub winning the tournament was the worst case scenario, not the expected outcome. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| NavonWise | Nov 12 2011, 09:03 PM Post #35 |
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Oh that quote? People took that seriously? |
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| + Clearin | Nov 12 2011, 09:46 PM Post #36 |
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A quote directly from the Japanese manga in a situation where lying would be pointless, I don't see why you'd find it hard to believe people wouldn't take it seriously. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 12 2011, 10:35 PM Post #37 |
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Goku lied before when he told Piccolo he was no match against Fat Buu. Do you honestly believe Ubuu had the same power as Kid Buu when Goku stated Ubuu did not know how to use his full power? So Ubuu, not knowing how to use his full power was equal to Kid Buu? |
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| + Clearin | Nov 12 2011, 11:05 PM Post #38 |
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I don't think Uub had the power of Kid Buu. Even if we take Goku's statement to be 100% literal the only thing we could say for sure is that Uub would be above or equal to Mr Buu. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 14 2011, 01:34 AM Post #39 |
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Still doubt that, for base Goku to go equal with a fighter Good Buu level? I can believe if he was SSJ at least, not at base. The training on Earth Goku would have done would be too easy, he wouldn't improved much. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 14 2011, 01:41 AM Post #40 |
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He had a reason to lie that time. There's no reason to lie this time especially to Satan of all people. I know it's hard to believe but that's exactly what the text says. I find it hard to believe it but there's no other way to put it other than Uub ~ Majin Buu ~ Vegeta SSJ2+10 years of training. It's not something I would put past Goku though but I don't think he's had that much of a base multiplier in the entire series. Other than MSSJ training I guess (maybe that's the key here - MSSJ3 training). Either that or AT accidentally slipped it in. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 14 2011, 01:46 AM Post #41 |
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Actually Goku didn't have a reason, he flat out stated he wanted the kids to try because he wasn't going to be around for ever. He could have told Piccolo exactly what he told Vegeta. Goku even stated Ubuu didn't know how to fight yet, he didn't know how to correctly use his powers, so that couldn't be equal to Kid Buu. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 14 2011, 01:59 AM Post #42 |
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Yea he's definitely not around Kid Buu he's more around like SSJ2 Vegeta ~ Majin Buu (according to the text, which I disagree with). And yea he had a reason, if he told the truth the kids wouldn't have trained seriously. That's the only reason he lied he even said that himself. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 14 2011, 02:02 AM Post #43 |
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He lied to Piccolo, he didn't have a reason to lie to Piccolo. I just don't see Goku's base being equal to SSJ2 even after 10 years. Now if he was doing those gravity training, then yea sure why not, but on Earth? Like I said before, it's like lifting the same weight for 10 years but with more reps. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 14 2011, 02:06 AM Post #44 |
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No point of telling me that it doesn't make sense, since I'm also saying it doesn't make sense But he lied in front of the kids, he didn't hide and tell Piccolo. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 14 2011, 02:18 AM Post #45 |
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Lol I'm confused I thought you were with that theory that base Goku was SSJ2 leveled. And I'm talking about the part that Goku and Piccolo were alone, Goku told Piccolo that he never went all out. Piccolo asked if he could have beaten him if he went all out and Goku said he wasn't sure and then says the kids should do the job. |
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