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| Base Goku (End of Z) Vs. Initial Perfect Cell. | |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 04:09 AM Post #16 |
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I don't remember Goku ever stating that Ubuu could have beaten them all...and that fight was filler... |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 04:11 AM Post #17 |
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Nope it wasn't filler ![]() And yes he stated it. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 04:39 AM Post #18 |
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Yes that fight was filler. In the manga Ubuu kicks Goku, Goku blocks and his forearm starts shaking. Ubuu punches again and Goku dodges and they start fighting. Ubuu screams blowing Goku away and Goku floats in the midair...and that's where it ends. We don't see who had an advantage, etc. And...I don't see Goku saying Ubuu was stronger than everyone there... |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 04:41 AM Post #19 |
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Wait but you just stated that it happened. It was more than a few blows it was shown in the manga. How long exactly isn't known but it was considerable. So the fight between Goku and Uub isn't filler. I don't get how you're saying that they fought and it was filler at the same time. Unless you're talking about some fight I don't know about. And yes Uub had the upperhand in the manga since Uub's clothes were fine and Goku's were completely destroyed. The last time that happened was against Freeza. He didn't say Uub was stronger either. He said that Uub might be the one to beat everyone. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 10 2011, 04:51 AM.
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 05:00 AM Post #20 |
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I meant the more detailed fight like the anime. They did fight, but not like in the anime, I thought you were talking about the anime lol. And I don't think ripped clothes has anything to do with things...Ubuu didn't have much clothes to get ripped either way lol. And in what chapter does Goku say that? Can't find it... |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 05:03 AM Post #21 |
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The last time Goku had clothes that badly ripped was against Freeza. I mean even against Cell his clothes were better. The clothes are meant to be more symbolic than anything. As for the chapter I don't remember. Cocoman posted the quote a while ago and I'm basing it off that. If he sees this thread he'll probably post it again. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 05:18 AM Post #22 |
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To be honest his clothes are not that bad, just a couple scratches. And still it would be hard for Goku to get that strong in that environment. The only reason Vegeta trains in higher gravity is to get stronger, if he wouldnt have trained in higher gravity he wouldn't have improve much. Kind of like lifting up the same weight with more reps...you wouldn't improve much, you'll need more heavy weights. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 05:24 AM Post #23 |
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I understand your point, which is why I don't agree with Goku getting that strong. But I just wanted to throw the argument out there. But the clothes thing I disagree with. Show me somewhere it's been that bad in DBZ
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 05:32 AM Post #24 |
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Lol well who knows maybe Goku did go all out at base, I just don't believe his base was around SSJ2 level, not with the training he was going through. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 10 2011, 02:54 PM Post #25 |
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well, gravity is only a marginal improvement anyway, once you master it. why do you think that only vegeta consistently uses gravity machines? because beyond a certain point, the benefit you get out of it is less than the effort you put in. same with weights. they were great back in dragonball, when everyone still had room to improve their bodies, but in dbz, their bodies are already conditioned to the max, and weights would only give minor improvements. that's why only piccolo wears them consistently. beyond the cell games, it seems that pretty much the only thing left for the adults to do is increase their ki. they've already perfected their bodies and skills, so all that's left is to power up some more, and make a few new tricks. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 04:56 PM Post #26 |
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The only way to get stronger is too push your self even more. Goku knows this, but he also knows...you have to rest. I mean again, Goku wouldn't have gotten that much stronger training in Earth if he didn't have something to push him. His body would get used to Earth's gravity again, that's like lifting up 100 pounds, and going back to 50 with more reps.. |
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| Balthazor | Nov 10 2011, 06:35 PM Post #27 |
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I'm damn serious
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Uub is the reincarnation of kid boob,when Goku is fighting uub he said he was as good as he expected which basically implies Uub and base Goku end of z=kid Buu atleast. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 06:39 PM Post #28 |
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Not really. Goku only said he's as good as he expected him to be but that doesn't mean Ubuu was already at Kid Buu's level. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 10 2011, 06:48 PM Post #29 |
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The only thing he could have expected him to be is Kid Buu's level. Any other estimate doesn't make too much sense. He thought that he'd have Kid Buu's technique too but was proven wrong. |
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| NavonWise | Nov 10 2011, 06:52 PM Post #30 |
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He could have expected Ubuu to be really really strong, but it doesn't mean he expected Ubuu to be exactly the same as Kid Buu. |
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