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SSJ2 (Cell Games) Goku vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 7 2011, 05:12 AM (6,048 Views)
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Victorious
Nov 21 2011, 03:30 AM
powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a heft gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
I don't think Cell's power changed any between fighting Goku and Gohan, so,

SSJ Gohan ~ Perfect Cell (Suppressed) > SSJ Goku

Also, the gap never has to be exceeding huge. It's just always assumed. The difference in power merely shows that Gohan had an advantage over Goku in power.

So, in short, it's a bit hard of a point to drive that Goku supposedly gets stomped when there isn't much to say that Gohan completely stomps Goku rather than simply being strong enough to be noticeably stronger.

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Edited by Kruegs Outlandish, Nov 21 2011, 03:57 AM.
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Nov 21 2011, 03:30 AM
SPC rivals SSJ2 kid Gohan, so much so he says he's powered up like him and breaks his arm with a generic ki blast.

So obviously for a SSJ2 Goku here to rival his son as well..he'd have to rival him as an MSSJ. So whats the gap between MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ Goku? To me it's pretty big.

Firstly Goku quicks against Cell..now remember Cell here was not fighting at full power..everyone thought he was though. So Goku would not have quit against Cell unless he thought there was no way he could beat him. Vegeta says Cell was "a step or two behind", which warrants a decent gap between Cell and Goku with Goku only being a distant rival.

Then Gohan powers up his MSSJ and he and Cell fight for a few moments. Gohan dodges every single attack Cell throws at him easily..and then Cell has to increase his speed..a speed he did not use against Goku. He then grabs hold of Gohan and punches him.....Then for the rest of the fight it seemed about even between MSSJ Gohan and Cell. Although Gohan was timid and scared of Cell and started to refuse to fight back and ended up on the ground under Cell's boot..this had more to do with Gohan not wanting to even defend himself than Cell showing superiority over him. When they were fighting Gohan was dodging Cell's death beams and Gohan managed to bust Cell's lip pretty good even.

Anyway.

powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a heft gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
But Goku was stronger than Gohan at the Cell Games, dude.
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Nov 21 2011, 06:37 AM
Victorious
Nov 21 2011, 03:30 AM
SPC rivals SSJ2 kid Gohan, so much so he says he's powered up like him and breaks his arm with a generic ki blast.

So obviously for a SSJ2 Goku here to rival his son as well..he'd have to rival him as an MSSJ. So whats the gap between MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ Goku? To me it's pretty big.

Firstly Goku quicks against Cell..now remember Cell here was not fighting at full power..everyone thought he was though. So Goku would not have quit against Cell unless he thought there was no way he could beat him. Vegeta says Cell was "a step or two behind", which warrants a decent gap between Cell and Goku with Goku only being a distant rival.

Then Gohan powers up his MSSJ and he and Cell fight for a few moments. Gohan dodges every single attack Cell throws at him easily..and then Cell has to increase his speed..a speed he did not use against Goku. He then grabs hold of Gohan and punches him.....Then for the rest of the fight it seemed about even between MSSJ Gohan and Cell. Although Gohan was timid and scared of Cell and started to refuse to fight back and ended up on the ground under Cell's boot..this had more to do with Gohan not wanting to even defend himself than Cell showing superiority over him. When they were fighting Gohan was dodging Cell's death beams and Gohan managed to bust Cell's lip pretty good even.

Anyway.

powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a heft gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
But Goku was stronger than Gohan at the Cell Games, dude.
I thought it was fact that Gohan was stronger than Goku? He even admitted it. Unless he was referring to his rage boost, I see Gohan being a tad ahead of Goku.
Edited by Illustrious, Nov 21 2011, 06:40 AM.
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Nov 21 2011, 06:39 AM
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Nov 21 2011, 06:37 AM
Victorious
Nov 21 2011, 03:30 AM
SPC rivals SSJ2 kid Gohan, so much so he says he's powered up like him and breaks his arm with a generic ki blast.

So obviously for a SSJ2 Goku here to rival his son as well..he'd have to rival him as an MSSJ. So whats the gap between MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ Goku? To me it's pretty big.

Firstly Goku quicks against Cell..now remember Cell here was not fighting at full power..everyone thought he was though. So Goku would not have quit against Cell unless he thought there was no way he could beat him. Vegeta says Cell was "a step or two behind", which warrants a decent gap between Cell and Goku with Goku only being a distant rival.

Then Gohan powers up his MSSJ and he and Cell fight for a few moments. Gohan dodges every single attack Cell throws at him easily..and then Cell has to increase his speed..a speed he did not use against Goku. He then grabs hold of Gohan and punches him.....Then for the rest of the fight it seemed about even between MSSJ Gohan and Cell. Although Gohan was timid and scared of Cell and started to refuse to fight back and ended up on the ground under Cell's boot..this had more to do with Gohan not wanting to even defend himself than Cell showing superiority over him. When they were fighting Gohan was dodging Cell's death beams and Gohan managed to bust Cell's lip pretty good even.

Anyway.

powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a heft gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
But Goku was stronger than Gohan at the Cell Games, dude.
I thought it was fact that Gohan was stronger than Goku? He even admitted it. Unless he was referring to his rage boost, I see Gohan being a tad ahead of Goku.
Yeah, Goku was relying on Gohan's rage boost to save the day. Even though Cell admitted Gohan was stronger, and Piccolo did as well. We shouldn't put too much stock in those guys though.
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Nov 21 2011, 06:58 AM
Illustrious
Nov 21 2011, 06:39 AM
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Nov 21 2011, 06:37 AM
Victorious
Nov 21 2011, 03:30 AM
SPC rivals SSJ2 kid Gohan, so much so he says he's powered up like him and breaks his arm with a generic ki blast.

So obviously for a SSJ2 Goku here to rival his son as well..he'd have to rival him as an MSSJ. So whats the gap between MSSJ kid Gohan and MSSJ Goku? To me it's pretty big.

Firstly Goku quicks against Cell..now remember Cell here was not fighting at full power..everyone thought he was though. So Goku would not have quit against Cell unless he thought there was no way he could beat him. Vegeta says Cell was "a step or two behind", which warrants a decent gap between Cell and Goku with Goku only being a distant rival.

Then Gohan powers up his MSSJ and he and Cell fight for a few moments. Gohan dodges every single attack Cell throws at him easily..and then Cell has to increase his speed..a speed he did not use against Goku. He then grabs hold of Gohan and punches him.....Then for the rest of the fight it seemed about even between MSSJ Gohan and Cell. Although Gohan was timid and scared of Cell and started to refuse to fight back and ended up on the ground under Cell's boot..this had more to do with Gohan not wanting to even defend himself than Cell showing superiority over him. When they were fighting Gohan was dodging Cell's death beams and Gohan managed to bust Cell's lip pretty good even.

Anyway.

powered up suppression Cell (real speed) >=< MSSJ Gohan > powered up suppression Cell (holding back speed) > MSSJ Goku

And remember Cell holding back his speed was a step or two ahead of Goku, but couldn't even touch Gohan.

There's a heft gap between MSSJ Gohan and MSSJ Goku.





So going back to the original topic...SPC should be able to rather easily take out a theoretical SSJ2 Goku here.
But Goku was stronger than Gohan at the Cell Games, dude.
I thought it was fact that Gohan was stronger than Goku? He even admitted it. Unless he was referring to his rage boost, I see Gohan being a tad ahead of Goku.
Yeah, Goku was relying on Gohan's rage boost to save the day. Even though Cell admitted Gohan was stronger, and Piccolo did as well. We shouldn't put too much stock in those guys though.
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Goku was not stronger than Gohan as MSSJ at the Cell games, loll

MSSJ Gohan >> MSSJ Goku at the Cell games.


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I don't think Cell's power changed any between fighting Goku and Gohan, so,


No his power did not, but his speed did. With the level he was fighting against Goku as, he couldn't even touch Gohan...he had to increase his speed.

So Goku would likely have not even been able to connect punches with Gohan.
Edited by Victorious, Nov 21 2011, 08:10 PM.
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Nov 21 2011, 08:08 PM
No his power did not, but his speed did. With the level he was fighting against Goku as, he couldn't even touch Gohan...he had to increase his speed.

So Goku would likely have not even been able to connect punches with Gohan.
Cell bear hugged Gohan to pieces while Goku watched and smiled, lol. I think that's touching him, at the least. I think Cell smacked the crap out of him a couple of times as well. Overall, I doubt Cell was taking his fight against Gohan as seriously up until SSJ2.
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Nov 16 2011, 06:22 PM
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Nov 11 2011, 05:25 AM
vegeta beat zarbon so easily for 2 reasons.

1. zarbon was overconfident because of their last fight. this point was stated twice.

2. vegeta fought dirty. he threw dirt into zarbon's eyes.

if he was far enough ahead of zarbon that he could have stomped him, he wouldn't be depending on zarbon to make mistakes, nor would he have bothered fighting dirty.
I assume Vegeta being able to sense Ki gave him a huge advantage. Since he could tell exactly how much Ki Zarbon was putting into each part of his body so in a way he knew how Zarbon would attack before he even did it.

Also I think SPC wins. I have MSSj Gohan > MSSj Goku
SPC > SSj2 Gohan so obviously SPC > SSj2 Goku
vegeta wasn't good at sensing ki yet. he had to stop and concentrate to do it sometimes, and at first he couldn't even tell between krillin and zarbon.
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Nov 22 2011, 12:08 AM
Victorious
Nov 21 2011, 08:08 PM
No his power did not, but his speed did. With the level he was fighting against Goku as, he couldn't even touch Gohan...he had to increase his speed.

So Goku would likely have not even been able to connect punches with Gohan.
Cell bear hugged Gohan to pieces while Goku watched and smiled, lol. I think that's touching him, at the least. I think Cell smacked the crap out of him a couple of times as well. Overall, I doubt Cell was taking his fight against Gohan as seriously up until SSJ2.
That was after Cell increased his speed, c'mon now man this is easy stuff.

Cell fights Goku, gains the advantage on him, Goku quits, Vegeta said Cell was a step or two ahead of Goku.

Then Cell takes on Gohan and Cell can't even touch him, he didn't lay a single punch on Gohan...Cell then has to increase his speed and then all of the sequence of events you are talking about happened. But before that Cell was lagging behind Gohan and couldnt connect a single punch.

So Goku likely wouldn't even be able to connect punches on Gohan if Cell can't and Cell had the advantage on Goku

suppressed Cell (increase Speed) ~ MSSJ Gohan > suppressed Cell > MSSJ Goku.
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The whole fight between them was bs. Cell raising his speed merely means that he actually ready to stop purposely not hitting Gohan and actually hit him.

This is like saying Goku vs Frieza, Goku was so much faster than Frieza because he was block his hits and being all epic and sh*t. Frieza wasn't very intense while fighting Goku; in the same sense Cell wasn't fighting Gohan at all at the same caliber that he fought Goku.

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ROFL hahaha couldn't have put it better myself.

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